Pre-season (2024/25)

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11 minutes ago, Toontimes said:

Final one

 

30/05 - BUDAPEST: HUNGARIAN PROFESSIONAL XI 4 NEWCASTLE 1

 

Gallacher scored a penalty in the first half but he and Maitland were given their marching orders after the break as the play assumed a very rough character. 

 

Newcastle's display resulted in very strong adverse comment in the Hungarian Press. It was revealed that the Hungarian FA had  refused to pay the sum of £165 due to Newcastle United for the match. 

 

The money was to be sent to the English FA, who would be asked to exercise their discretion as to whether Newcastle United should receive it or whether it should be refunded to the Hungarian authorities.

 

It was also stated that they  were considering the advisability of refusing to arrange further tours from English clubs.

 

 

Vossische Zeitung - “No fight-No money! Hungarian Ultimatum to British Footballers" - The Prague correspondent reported that before the match against Slavia, the representative of the Hungarian Football Association told the manager of Newcastle United that he would not receive any money in Budapest unless they tried seriously to win the match. It further claimed that he obtained the insertion of a clause in the Budapest contract stating that Newcastle United would forfeit their fee for the Budapest match if they failed to equal the score of Hungary. 

 

The Magyar Hirlap claimed “the English players did not play” and that they “boxed, struck, and kicked the Hungarian players”.

 

Ujsag remarked that: “The Hungarian public will be represented by its enemies abroad as lacking in self-control and being too temperamental. Would the London public have taken it calmly if the foreign players had been guilty of brutal conduct?” It also claimed that the spectators remained calm and preserved their dignity.

 

Pesti Naplo suggested “Hill and Burns alone were above criticism”.

 

The Budapest Hirlap and  the Magyarsag expressed the opinion that “British professional football has spoilt itself in Budapest for years to come”.

 

 

Subsequent Events

 

05/06 - The FA revealed that they had received a £165 cheque from the Hungarian FA, but without any covering letter supporting the charges made. 

 “The money belongs to Newcastle United," said FA secretary Mr. Wall. “It is their guarantee, and we have no right to withhold it from them on the strength of vague foreign allegations of unfair play. Newcastle United strenuously deny the charges, and they have said quite openly that they are ready to meet any investigation we may hold, but we shall certainly not hold any such inquiry unless the Hungarian football authorities make definite charges in writing". 

 

11/06 - Frank Wall revealed that he had received a cable from the Hungarian FA stating that they had posted a report to him.  He also said he had seen the press reports and that he had met three United directors last Tuesday who were very concerned and were adamant that there was "not the slightest foundation for the allegations". Wall explained that until the report had been received, "nothing more can be said". 

 

15/06 - Mr Wall announced that the report had now been received and a copy had been sent to the club. The Hungarians were asking for an enquiry to be carried out.

 

19/06 - The FA invited Newcastle to make any comments/corrections before they decided what action to take. Wall said that in 34 years as an official at the FA he had “never come across such allegations against an English football team on the continent”. 

 

20/06 - The United Board met for three hours and secretary Watt stated that they have framed a lengthy reply for the FA which completely denied the charges. They also stated that, if a commission was to be held, they wanted the Hungarian Report and their official reply to be published in full.

 

29/06 - The FA informed the press that United's formal reply has been received by them and woul be communicated immediately to the Hungarian FA for their observations. Once these were received they would decide whether any further action was required.

 

15/10 - Directors Rutherford, Nevin, Oliver and Oates, secretary Watt and trainer McCombie travelled down to 42, Russell Square to attend the FA Commission meeting regarding their summer tour. They were joined by players Maitland, Hill and Gallacher and Huddersfield director Barlow (who had also been with the touring party). The Hungarian FA were represented by Dr. Nandon Fodor.

 

 After hearing evidence from both sides the commission adjourned and then issued a statement. "We are of the opinion from the indifferent displays given by Newcastle United during the tour that the Hungarian F.A. was justified in endeavouring to cancel the contract. The match, however, which was against Hungaria FC, having been played, the money retained - £165 - must be paid over to the Newcastle United club. We are further of the opinion that the referee's conduct of the game was not satisfactory. With regard to the reports as to Gallacher and Maitland being ordered off the field, on the evidence, we make no order.”

 

21/10 - The Hungarian FA were not altogether satisfied with some of the findings of the FA Commission and were planning to  to ask for a full investigation by the International FA; a step which was unprecedented in the annals of English football. Their grievances were against the team in general and two players in particular.

 

18/11 - It was reported that the Hungarian FA had stated that United would be banned from playing in their country until they had given entire satisfaction for an offending term alleged to have been used by a member of the United party during last summer’s visit.

 

 

 

Hughie Gallacher's viewpoint in 1932 Sunday Sun feature

 

The gossips have it that we went on to the field drunk. Others have it that we were so drunk the night before we were ill when we went on to the field.

 

As you know many clubs, even in sedate Scotland, on the occasion of a big match, allow a player the privilege of taking some slight stimulant before the match.

 

Well, we had no champagne, but it is true that before the Budapest match, myself, Alf. Maitland and Jack Hill, sipped and gargled our throats with some Cognac from a bottle that stood handy on the dressing-room table.

 

More to the point, as is the custom on the Continent, our dressing-room was not built as are dressing-rooms at home. Here players are hidden away from curious eyes. On the continent the players' room is usually built on a site which allows spectators to crowd round the window and watch the footballers undressing.

 

That is what happened at Budapest. People outside saw us sip the cognac, but sip and no more.

 

I got more than my usual rough passage and twice we were denied

legitimate penalties. By the interval the Austrians were leading 4-1.

 

Alf Maitland, like myself, was getting rather tired of "taking the boot." The outside-left, a genial chap, cheerfully ripped Alf's stocking with his boot and left an ugly wound on his leg.

 

Alf warned him. Three times, in fact, Maitland warned the winger, and each time the referee took no notice of the little incidents, and when, just after the Interval, the winger again left his boot mark on Maitland, our man lost his temper and rushed after him. Now the referee did move. He danced on to the field and in the best actor referee manner ordered Maitland to the pavilion.

 

Exactly four minutes from the moment Maitland was sent off, I picked up a nice pass down the middle and went back a yard or two to collect. An Austrian, from an awkward angle, intercepted, and my boot got him a rather severe jar on the ankle. He squealed and dropped on the ground. I stooped to pick him up. But my Austrian friend did not know anything about “turn the other cheek"; from where he lay he swung his strong leg and gave me a booter that more than made up for my kick.

 

While I was still hopping in fury and agony; the referee again left his anchor on the touch-line and came onto the field. Tapping me on the shoulder he pointed to the pavilion.

 

Before going there, still hoping that explanation would save me, I walked towards the injured man, Then the crowd went mad. They yelled and screamed. Talk about a Celtic - Rangers scene, by comparison no more than a P.S.A. debate.

 

A Newcastle director, Mr. George Rutherford, rushed on the field, and grabbing me by the arm, said "Get inside, quickly”. 

 

I believe he thought, as I thought, that the crowd would lynch me. When I walked down the passage-way to the dressing-rooms they spat on me. Even for me that was a new experience.

 

Next thing we heard was that the Austrians were refusing to pay Newcastle the usual fee and gate monies. We were told that the refusal was justified on the grounds that the Austrians accused us of being drunk.

 

At the time, the players accused, excused this charge by assuming that continental clubs do not favour the practice of players taking a stimulant and had therefore exaggerated the incident.

 

Certainly the Austrians magnified the true version. They also alleged that Newcastle had not played football worthy of their reputation.

 

I told the (FA) officials that, frankly, playing in England, Ireland, France and Scotland in representative and international matches I had never thought the sight of a brandy bottle unique in a pavilion. The moral rights and wrongs of the custom, I pointed out, did not concern me.

 

These are cool, thanks.

[Disco]

What a LOL.

[wormy]

2 hours ago, James said:

Even if the youth team was good the fans would have come for Newcastle United.

 

we had enough in the squad to play 7 seniors in each match.

 

This is what confuses me. I assume there were enough players that weren't heading straight home or off to international duty that could've been rested Wednesday and played today? Maybe we'd have lost both games if we did but it may have looked a bit more balanced overall.

 

Ah well. It looked silly when it was announced and we looked silly today. What's done is done. Welcome to FFP I guess. 

 

[GeordieDazzler]

[Toontimes]

Forgot this one - expect similar in the Aussie press

 

22/05/29 - VIENNA ATHLETIC SPORTING CLUBS XI 2 NEWCASTLE 0

 

The President of the Vienna FA (Herr Alexander Neumann) and the manager of the Rapid club (Herr Dionys Schoenecker) criticised United's "conservative, old-fashioned, machine-like safety first and unimaginative methods". They went on to say that "the British are perfect gentlemen, but they play as if their primary reason was to earn a day's wage instead of putting their heart into the game". They also suggest that the United players “did not enter the field as fresh as they might have done”. 

 

Vienna newspaper "Sportagblatt" called upon the Austrian FA to prohibit visits from English clubs in the future as "teachers who have nothing to teach, fighters who don't fight, and players who have no ambition to play are unwelcome visitors here." They also criticised United's outdated tactics and pondered: "poor Newcastle, what has become of you!  The scientists without science". They also lambasted the team's approach suggesting that “they think they are on a pleasure cruise”.

 

[DubblyDubblyDubbly]

[Holloway]

The critical thing here is the timing of the q and q session with smarmy Darren, U bet it was in betweenies

[Coastie]

Calling us our "Sunday names"...

 

Anyone know what that means?

[80]

17 minutes ago, Coastie said:

Calling us our "Sunday names"...

 

Anyone know what that means?

Sunday name would be someone's full, proper name i.e. Stephen instead of Steve. In this context I took it to be ironic i.e. calling them a pack of bastards and cunts etc.

[GideonShandy]

In case any one wants to watch this absolute shitshow (not available on NUFC TV, strangely)

 

 

[Myleftboot]

6 hours ago, GideonShandy said:

In case any one wants to watch this absolute shitshow (not available on NUFC TV, strangely)

 

 

Dear me. That defending. That goalkeeping.

[Coffee_Johnny]

18 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Dear me. That defending. That goalkeeping.

Great minds! ? 

[NUFC_Chris]

I see the U21’s are at the HK Soccer 7’s. Surprised we even found an 11 for this. 

[Toontimes]

9 hours ago, 80 said:

Sunday name would be someone's full, proper name i.e. Stephen instead of Steve. In this context I took it to be ironic i.e. calling them a pack of bastards and cunts etc.

I agree - I think this was his polite way of saying just what you are saying

[ATB]

ChatGDP is lost. When is our first pre-season game?

[Donut]

17 hours ago, GideonShandy said:

In case any one wants to watch this absolute shitshow (not available on NUFC TV, strangely)

 

 

 

 

What absolute pathetic defending and keeping. Well now we know why Eddie doesn't just "PLAY THE KIDZ!!!" like so many have been screaming for. Absolute shite this.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Donut

[huss9]

surely this must have been agreed before the trip.

one game with the big names involved, but the second with kids.

otherwise there would have been hell on from the organisers.

£2.5m?

[Superior Acuña]

The defender in the middle for the 5th ??

[Myleftboot]

Where was the keeper going for that offside goal. 

[duo]

On 25/05/2024 at 01:27, GideonShandy said:

In case any one wants to watch this absolute shitshow (not available on NUFC TV, strangely)

 

 

Well that was a painful watch  it could/should have been 10-0.  Did we even have a shot?

[Nucasol]

Got knocked out the HK Sevens by that powerhouse of world football Hong Kong Rangers 1-0. Lost the losers Plate 3-2 to Glasgow Rangers.

[andycap]

When do the lads play next in pre season? Is the Japan trip before the euros? 

[Slim]

Prob do a sela cup or similar.  Always one home game at the end 

 

 

Edited May 28 by Slim

[NSG]

Imagine it’ll be generic one or two local away games, maybe one game in Germany at the Adidas camp, two in Japan then Sela cup.