TheBrownBottle Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, McDog said: This is where I didn't explain myself very well as usual. I do not think he deliberately handled the ball to prevent a scoring opportunity but he did intentionally grab the ball when he fell on it. Still a red of course. Maybe I'm arguing semantics here and wasting everyone's time. Yes, I know where you’re coming from - it’s more instinct than obvious intent. But the outcome, unfortunately for us, is the same either way edit: when I say intent I mean he deliberately, not accidentally, handled the ball. Edited February 18, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I forgive Saint Pope though, he's been unbelievable this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, McDog said: I forgive Saint Pope though, he's been unbelievable this year. Likewise - that lad has been punished enough, it’s the biggest club game of his career so far he’s missing out on. It’s a tragedy for him, and a massive problem for us - but he’s more than enough credit in the bank as far as I’m concerned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Menace said: This guy needs to stop thinking he's Neuer, it's embarassing. I knew one day it would bite us in the arse. Wow, this is is some post He's been brilliant at sweeping and it's been a big part of allowing us to play a higher line successfully this season Went wrong today but no reason to abandon it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) Sometimes I wonder why footballers try to head the ball when it's literally there on the grass. Use your fucking foot, it's in the name of the game. Feel sorry for him but he really fucked up. Edited February 18, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Frustrating watching it back - the balls really curling out towards the wing. He'd have had to at least beat one defender being getting it past Pope if he'd stayed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 He didn’t need to go after that ball. Once he decided to, he didn’t need to go with his head. A really costly mistake for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Kick it man for fucks sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 no need to come out for it tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Aye, should have just let him score. He's reacted instinctively though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Aye, should have just let him score. He's reacted instinctively though. there was still a canny bit to do for sala. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 I don’t want him to change his game, seemed a real tactic from Howe to have him play more aggressive (because he normally can) so we can continue our high line. That ball had swerve and I agree with above, just leather it or try and retreat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Aye, should have just let him score. He's reacted instinctively though. That was my take, he's made a split second decision that if he doesn't grab it, it's definitely a goal. Can't say much about him coming for it, he does it a lot and 99 of a 100 he clears it. I praised him for doing it earlier in the game saying to the lad next to me 'dubs would have been stood on the 6 yard box waiting for the one on one'. Urghh... hurts this like but it is what it is now. If it goes all the way to pels next week... I'll cry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Been brilliant for us, but fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Gutted for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Given it’s only a game bad I’d appeal it for the sake. Ball was going away from goal, it wasn’t last man and he slipped over - would have been more helpful to his case if he basically didn’t catch it when he landed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Are we discussing the merits of appealing so that it delays the start of the suspension? If we're to appeal because we think it may get overturned, that's bonkers. There is no way it is getting overturned. Its handball ffs. It's not like there is any doubt. If it just flicked off his hand and he gets a red, fair enough, go ahead and appeal. Pope literally clutched and grabbed the ball outside his area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, nufcjb said: Are we discussing the merits of appealing so that it delays the start of the suspension? If we're to appeal because we think it may get overturned, that's bonkers. There is no way it is getting overturned. Its handball ffs. It's not like there is any doubt. If it just flicked off his hand and he gets a red, fair enough, go ahead and appeal. Pope literally clutched and grabbed the ball outside his area. Handball isn’t a red card offence though. The sending off comes down to him denying a goal scoring opportunity and there is an argument that a defender is getting back and the attacker still has to control the ball and change it’s direction before taking a shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 51 minutes ago, GWN said: Gutted for him. That is my only remaining negative feeling this morning. He’ll be really upset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyprickles Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Been my favourite player this year, gutted for him. Fuck it, hopefully he'll play in many more finals for us in the coming years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Far and away the most gutting thing is him not being able to play the final. Not so much for us as a team as I hope Karius can produce a performance to be proud of. More just gutted for him, sure he must be incredibly cut up about missing the final and if there’s a goalkeeping error in the final he’ll probably feel even worse. He just has to use that to spur himself on even more. Howe will be doing everything to lift him up again so I’m not overly concerned longer term just such a shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 49 minutes ago, nufcjb said: Are we discussing the merits of appealing so that it delays the start of the suspension? If we're to appeal because we think it may get overturned, that's bonkers. There is no way it is getting overturned. Its handball ffs. It's not like there is any doubt. If it just flicked off his hand and he gets a red, fair enough, go ahead and appeal. Pope literally clutched and grabbed the ball outside his area. It doesn’t delay anything - the red isn’t put on ice while the appeal process takes place. The appeal would likely be seen as frivolous (and I don’t think you’ll ever see a clearer red card offence other than someone being openly assaulted) and he’ll end up missing Man City too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It doesn’t delay anything - the red isn’t put on ice while the appeal process takes place. The appeal would likely be seen as frivolous (and I don’t think you’ll ever see a clearer red card offence other than someone being openly assaulted) and he’ll end up missing Man City too. Years ago it used to. Can’t remember when they did away with that. I’d still appeal it. Get De Marco on the case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 They now have guidelines for appeals. You have 2 days to appeal, so we have until the end of Tuesday to appeal. The panel would sit on the Wednesday to assess the outcome. An appeal to delay it would be pointless, we can only appeal if we think it can actually be overturned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Pata said: Sometimes I wonder why footballers try to head the ball when it's literally there on the grass. Use your fucking foot, it's in the name of the game. Feel sorry for him but he really fucked up. It’s a psychological thing, happened to me quite a few times when playing. You commit to heading the ball and the trajectory deviates from what you predicted, however, you’ve already committed and just go through the process of heading it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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