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James Maddison (now playing for Tottenham Hotspur)


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We paid £45m for Gordon from Everton's bench. £50m for someone in their prime and who's consistently been one of the best attacking midfielders in the league for years isn't outrageous, like.

 

Obviously different circumstances just don't think we were ever going to get him as cheap as some hope. 

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2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

We paid £45m for Gordon from Everton's bench. £50m for someone in their prime and who's consistently been one of the best attacking midfielders in the league for years isn't outrageous, like.

 

Obviously different circumstances just don't think we were ever going to get him as cheap as some hope. 

We considerably overpaid for Gordon, so not the best idea to use him as your yardstick for player valuations.

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£50m when he's an England international, has the output he does and there's interest from elsewhere is reasonable despite the contract situation for me. Just get it done. It'd cost more than that to sign someone guaranteed to be better than him. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kanji said:

 

 

Common case of shiny object syndrome? No, how about just simply watching a 21-22 year old attacking mid who can press, create, and score? FFS

 

He's not wrong. It's like Diaby, you can tell by a conversation with the average Twitter user they've never seen him play.

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Maddison

+ Has consistently scored and created goals in the Premier League 

+ Tactically flexible 

+ Reasonable price tag

- Question marks about his work off the ball 

 

Szoboszlai

+ Similar output to Maddison 

+ Another big, athletic player

+ Tactically flexible 

+ A workhorse off the ball 

+ Younger 

- Only played in defensively inferior leagues

- Currently coached to RB standards 

- Expensive 

 

Szoboszlai might have a higher potential ceiling, but it's a lot of cash to gamble with when you can buy what is near enough a sure thing in Maddison for less cash. 

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20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

He's not wrong. It's like Diaby, you can tell by a conversation with the average Twitter user they've never seen him play.

 

No he is wrong. Anyone with a brain who has actually seen him play will tell you that he's one of the purest strikers of the ball you'll see in football today. 

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2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

 

No he is wrong. Anyone with a brain who has actually seen him play will tell you that he's one of the purest strikers of the ball you'll see in football today. 

 

He undoubtedly has a good hit on him.

 

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27 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

there's interest from elsewhere

Spurs? Rumor they offered £50m for Maddison AND Barnes. And they can't offer European football. I think standing firm is the way to go if Leicester think his value is £60m or even £50m because it is simply not and they will need time to find a replacement. 

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I would imagine Leicester hope to get a bidding war between Spurs and Newcastle but it seems like they are not exactly in a position on strength. Assuming neither Spurs or Mags do something daft, the price has to come down and he'll have to choose.

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Maddison got 10 goals and 9 assists in a relegated side. Last season it was 12 goals and 8 assists. These are basically Odegaard/Fernandes numbers for a much worse team.

 

"Fine" and the "bare minimum" though. If it isn't shiny object syndrome, it must be snobbery towards English players.

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I do doubt how many average NUFC fans have watched enough Hungary and Red Bull games mind to make an accurate judgement on who'd be better. 

 

Even when there was massive outrage for Southgate not playing Sancho for England it was obvious most fans had no idea even what sort of player he was. 

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Buying Maddison instead of Szoboslai is like if we had bought Zaha instead of isak last summer. A bit cheaper but with consistent numbers in the PL at the expense of a potentially higher ceiling. 

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1 minute ago, Conjo said:

Buying Maddison instead of Szoboslai is like if we had bought Zaha instead of isak last summer. A bit cheaper but with consistent numbers in the PL at the expense of a potentially higher ceiling. 

 

But there was clear gulf in class between Zaha and Isak that doesn't yet exist between Maddison and Szoboszlai.

 

I'd be happy with either for what it's worth, but taking account of price and experience it's a no brainer in our position. I just don't understand the talking down of Maddison when he's produced in the Premier League on a consistent basis for a few seasons now.

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4 minutes ago, Conjo said:

Buying Maddison instead of Szoboslai is like if we had bought Zaha instead of isak last summer. A bit cheaper but with consistent numbers in the PL at the expense of a potentially higher ceiling. 

 

Or like signing Lodi instead of Burn and Targett last year. Or like signing Mendy instead of Pope. 

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2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Or like signing Lodi instead of Burn and Targett last year. Or like signing Mendy instead of Pope. 

 

Based on how well liked Lodi is with Forest fans and how much they want him to stay but fear losing him to a CL team, you sure it's right to do that comparison? :lol: Mendy & Pope were both playing in the PL before the start of this season.

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3 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Based on how well liked Lodi is with Forest fans and how much they want him to stay but fear losing him to a CL team, you sure it's right to do that comparison? :lol: Mendy & Pope were both playing in the PL before the start of this season.

 

I was talking about that sort of calibre keeper before he arrived in England though. 

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1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

Maddison

+ Has consistently scored and created goals in the Premier League 

+ Tactically flexible 

+ Reasonable price tag

- Question marks about his work off the ball 

 

Szoboszlai

+ Similar output to Maddison 

+ Another big, athletic player

+ Tactically flexible 

+ A workhorse off the ball 

+ Younger 

- Only played in defensively inferior leagues

- Currently coached to RB standards 

- Expensive 

 

Szoboszlai might have a higher potential ceiling, but it's a lot of cash to gamble with when you can buy what is near enough a sure thing in Maddison for less cash. 

 

Maddison

+ Brilliant player

- Injury prone

 

Szoboszlai

+ brilliant player (in Germany)

- Not injury prone, yet

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Just now, The Prophet said:

 

I know he's missed a few games this season. Is it persistent?

2 or more knee problems this season iirc so slightly concerning.

 

Watched a bit of the Slob tonight but nothing to report really. Kept it relatively simple most of the time. He’s clearly more of an athlete. Surprised he’s the international captain now. Looks more two footed than Maddison but predominantly right. Was surprised also he played most of what I watched on the left wing.

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