Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Ross Barkley has played for England at every age category, including 33 caps for the senior team. People are quick to jump on these things and claim he's shite because he hasn't played regularly for Chelsea. Utter bollocks! He's never been shite and probably isn't shite now. What teams need to know is does he still have the ambition and hunger he used to have. If he does, he'd be a decent signing. Delle Alli has 37 caps for England. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Ross Barkley has played for England at every age category, including 33 caps for the senior team. People are quick to jump on these things and claim he's shite because he hasn't played regularly for Chelsea. Utter bollocks! He's never been shite and probably isn't shite now. What teams need to know is does he still have the ambition and hunger he used to have. If he does, he'd be a decent signing. He last won a cap over three years ago. A transfer to Villa didn’t occur because of how he played there on loan (shite). He hasn’t been selected for Chelsea, seemingly because he simply wasn’t good enough. At coming up to 29, sadly, he’s seemingly done man. We’re not the club to resurrect his career. Being given away by Chelsea, he should be being snapped up by a lower PL team hoping to hit lucky, or a good championship team even, but even that’s not currently happening. I can see the likes of Rangers taking a punt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Doesn't really seem there is any obvious link/signing with us next 2 days now Think it will be a name out the blue if any Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 This is all coming from that Talbot guy, who I’m not sure is even a journalist. Would be another massive statement of intent but don’t see it at all. I think a loan is the best we can expect before the window closes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Flip said: You are telling me he’d be better than Bruno by far? 29 years old in December and still considered a talent. gtfo I'm talking about the no doubt unrealistic scenario whereby someone is able to fix his mind and/or body to get him to play to the potential that he showed when a youngster. If so, he'd not just be better than Bruno, he'd be better than practically every other midfield player in the Premiership. This lad had the lot, and he was widely tipped by many in the game to be an all-time great. He was playing for Everton at 17, he was the best player in their side at 21, and he's won 33 England caps. He may be the midfield equivalent of Micah Richards as a defender - someone with so much talent that they didn't need to apply themselves properly, and then got found out. Too much too soon, perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 @Ando7… update please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Happinesstan said: Delle Alli has 37 caps for England. What's your point? And he was class for pretty much all of those England appearances! But, Alli has visibly been on the decline for years, has always been a shit trainer and was given a chance to revive his career last season. He couldn't be arsed. Barkley hasn't yet shown that he's lost the hunger, so until he does you can't/shouldn't tar them with the same brush. He may well prove that he is another Delle Alli but just making the assumption because they're a similar age and their circumstances are similar is harsh. By the way, i'm not suggesting we sign him at all, I just think the blanket assumption that he's now shit and is after a last big payday is an easy one to make with no justification....yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aiston said: No chance Leicester sell us Tielemans. Tell them we'll take Perez back off their hands on loan as well and he can be the emergency back up we need across the front 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Holmesy said: And he was class for pretty much all of those England appearances! But, Alli has visibly been on the decline for years, has always been a shit trainer and was given a chance to revive his career last season. He couldn't be arsed. Barkley hasn't yet shown that he's lost the hunger, so until he does you can't/shouldn't tar them with the same brush. He may well prove that he is another Delle Alli but just making the assumption because they're a similar age and their circumstances are similar is harsh. By the way, i'm not suggesting we sign him at all, I just think the blanket assumption that he's now shit and is after a last big payday is an easy one to make with no justification....yet. Who cares how good he was for England 4 years ago? It's about who he is now, and nobody knows because he hasn't played for two tears. I get what you're saying and if we signed him I'd be more than happy to trust Howe, but until somebody with any authority gives us something else we can only go on what we've witnessed, which is very little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: @Ando7… update please. It’s heating up, more to come, very busy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Good window so far. I would say a 7/10 rating. Add a CM or RW and it’s a 8.5/10. Add both and it’s a 10/10 window. Edited August 31, 2022 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Ikon said: Good window so far. I would say a 7/10 rating. Add a CM or RW and it’s a 9/10. Add both and it’s a 10/10 window. Aye can't argue with that. 7.5/8 out of 10 over the 2 windows I think, with the way the January window players have turned out plus what we've signed this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I could see Rodgers going rouge and allowing Maddison and Tielemans to leave with Fofana, then sit back and say I told you so to the club. He knows he's not there long term. Why should he care who they sell. Looks better on his stats selling them on and recovering money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Happinesstan said: Who cares how good he was for England 4 years ago? It's about who he is now, and nobody knows because he hasn't played for two tears. I get what you're saying and if we signed him I'd be more than happy to trust Howe, but until somebody with any authority gives us something else we can only go on what we've witnessed, which is very little. I don't think we should sign him personally, I'd rather we continued to develop Anderson. However, if Eddie thought he could get a tune out of him and signed him on a free I wouldn't be worried - it's pretty much zero risk. I just think this blanket writing off of players and saying this guy is shit because that similar guy was shit, is harsh. Some players thrive in the right circumstances - settled into the area, the right manager, the right players around them, supportive fans etc. I've always liked Barkley as a player and i hope he comes good and proves a few people wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Dokko said: I could see Rodgers going rouge and allowing Maddison and Tielemans to leave with Fofana, then sit back and say I told you so to the club. He knows he's not there long term. Why should he care who they sell. Looks better on his stats selling them on and recovering money. Brave to assume it’s Rodger’s making those decisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Dokko said: I could see Rodgers going rouge and allowing Maddison and Tielemans to leave with Fofana, then sit back and say I told you so to the club. He knows he's not there long term. Why should he care who they sell. Looks better on his stats selling them on and recovering money. Not sure he has that level of power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Dokko said: I could see Rodgers going rouge and allowing Maddison and Tielemans to leave with Fofana, then sit back and say I told you so to the club. He knows he's not there long term. Why should he care who they sell. Looks better on his stats selling them on and recovering money. Don't think he's got that much of a say to be honest. Can't see their owners selling all 3 now. Be suicidal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Jack27 said: Brave to assume it’s Rodger’s making those decisions It's not, but he'll have a say and has resisted so far. He stops making a case for them to stay then it changes things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, jack j said: Don't think he's got that much of a say to be honest. Can't see their owners selling all 3 now. Be suicidal They're not going down. Could bring in half the value of the club in 3 players and then the club is sold this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Rodgers just turns up to work one day and dumps £120million on the chairman's desk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I don't think we should sign him personally, I'd rather we continued to develop Anderson. However, if Eddie thought he could get a tune out of him and signed him on a free I wouldn't be worried - it's pretty much zero risk. I just think this blanket writing off of players and saying this guy is shit because that similar guy was shit, is harsh. Some players thrive in the right circumstances - settled into the area, the right manager, the right players around them, supportive fans etc. I've always liked Barkley as a player and i hope he comes good and proves a few people wrong. I couldn't give a shit about him myself. He chose a Chelsea salary over his career, he doesn't need any sympathy from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Anderson and Barkley are about the same level now I reckon. Would prefer to just play Ando. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Would much prefer to play Anderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 We don’t seem to be interested in these type of deals but if Grillitzch (sp?) is still going for free, he’d be a very solid cover for Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Lots of stuff about Tielemans and also haidara at leipzig. Understandable that Longstaff is not deemed good enough to cover in there, he is allright at closing games out when we are a goal or two up but he gets caught in possession too much and is too slow on the ball release... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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