ExiledGeordie Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Hhtoon said: It's really not one or the other anymore. If we need a 1st teamer and a January deal is acceptable, then they'll do it. Likewise, they'll be looking to buy young prospects for positions we don't have a current urgent need for that might take a bench role. FFP does limit and if we use Botman as an example, at the moment we don't need someone to compete with him but we need an improvement over current bench options. Do we spend c. 40m on that person or 20m on a prospect who's not quite there but has that potential. I doubt there's any club (Man City aside) that has a bench if 1st-team "ready" players. Agreed. We have our list of players we want and if one of them is attainable for the right price then we’ll probably sign one of them later in the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, reefatoon said: You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. In a perfect world yes that's how it would work. However there will be players currently playing in the first 11 who don't want to just be sat on the bench as rotation/cover. You have to strike the right balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mazzy said: In a perfect world yes that's how it would work. However there will be players currently playing in the first 11 who don't want to just be sat on the bench as rotation/cover. You have to strike the right balance. I totally agree with bringing in young players that could be brought into the squad and used from the bench. I don’t think we should be going out to sign players not good enough for our first team though. We are nowhere near good enough squad wise to bring in players just to sit on our bench. It’s probably only Man City and Chelsea that do that. If we are to sign players, you can bet it will be to improve the first 11 and not some mediocre player to just sit on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I know we're allegedly looking for a younger player, but still think Trossard would be a great pick up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-prepared-lose-newcastle-target-near-future-previously-asking-exaggerated-e45m-fee/ Gonçalo Inácio, 21 yr old CB from Sporting, who we allegedly bid for last summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Need to Strengthen (end of) …even if it’s just 1 player. if you stand still (you fall behind) in the premier league. Everyone else below us in the table will be improving and by the looks of it some decent signings (which will help them close the gap)….everyone above us in the table will look to strengthen and widen the gap. Doesn’t have to major changes , just enough to keep improving. All about bringing in the right player and not necessarily quantity. In HOWE we trust. Edited January 13, 2023 by JonBez comesock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I know we're allegedly looking for a younger player, but still think Trossard would be a great pick up. Questions about his attitude and training on his own at Brighton supposedly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Imagine our manager saying that two years ago, although it was truthfully the case. Such is the change in situations, we are now chill with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Hhtoon said: It's really not one or the other anymore. If we need a 1st teamer and a January deal is acceptable, then they'll do it. Likewise, they'll be looking to buy young prospects for positions we don't have a current urgent need for that might take a bench role. FFP does limit and if we use Botman as an example, at the moment we don't need someone to compete with him but we need an improvement over current bench options. Do we spend c. 40m on that person or 20m on a prospect who's not quite there but has that potential. I doubt there's any club (Man City aside) that has a bench if 1st-team "ready" players. Literally every top 6 side aspires for that or close. It's first team players or youngsters aiming to become regulars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Part of becoming a top 6 side, is dealing with good players who will not be happy to sit on the bench. Every top 6 club has 8-10 players who signed expecting to be a 1st team regular - that has to sit on the bench. Wan-Bissaka. Matt Doherty. Tomiyasu. Tierney. We have Wood & Murphy getting loads of minutes per month. Trippier and the midfielders barely get a break. We could sign 3 first team players and not disrupt the squad much at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Our bench should be understudies with high ceiling. Not first teamers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, arnonel said: Our bench should be understudies with high ceiling. Not first teamers It should be a mix of understudies, first teamers being rotated and youngsters. It's not yet but it will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, madras said: It should be a mix of understudies, first teamers being rotated and youngsters. It's not yet but it will be. This is the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think we should sign 2 more players in this window. We will probably be in Europe next season and we will likely need to play 10+ more games than this season. With our current squad I think we overachieved this season and if we are not careful enough, we may be dragged into a relegation battle next season like 16/17 Leicester, 05/06 Everton, 05/06 Real Betis and 03/04 Celta Vigo. We will need at least 5-6 more players for European competitions and if we only sign them in summer it also takes time for so many players to gel in the team. If we can sign 2 players this month then hopefully it can smooth out the process a bit while also giving us a lift for the push into top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Why on earth should we have an understudy for Sean Longstaff? High ceiling youngsters First teamers The way we have competition at CF, we need that in midfield. 1 or 2 injuries or suspensions and the team starts to pick itself. i reckon Joel is dropped for the weekend. Longstaff Bruno Willock Almiron Wilson ASM Isak is the only useful option off the bench here. We'll almost certainly see Murphy run out too. Any other substitutions will be enforced, luxury or desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 hours ago, reefatoon said: You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. Do it the coming summer, not now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Zero said: Do it the coming summer, not now. Upgrade whenever the right player comes along with the right deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zero said: Do it the coming summer, not now. So just waste some cash this month on players not good enough to start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, reefatoon said: So just waste some cash this month on players not good enough to start? As long as they could support our current starting eleven without disrupting the chemistry, and give us back a top 4 finish, then it’s not wasting money. Just like why we paid 25m for Wood last winter. In other words, unless it’s really too good to turn down, I don’t want another Asprilla at this moment. Summer? Definitely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Odd thinking imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Zero said: As long as they could support our current starting eleven without disrupting the chemistry, and give us back a top 4 finish, then it’s not wasting money. Just like why we paid 25m for Wood last winter. In other words, unless it’s really too good to turn down, I don’t want another Asprilla at this moment. Summer? Definitely You wouldn’t want to upgrade on Longstaff this month? I’d rather we bring in a player that can put Longstaff on the bench than bring someone in who is not as good as him. Seems a hugely backward step to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Zero said: As long as they could support our current starting eleven without disrupting the chemistry, and give us back a top 4 finish, then it’s not wasting money. Just like why we paid 25m for Wood last winter. In other words, unless it’s really too good to turn down, I don’t want another Asprilla at this moment. Summer? Definitely So pick out the ones that haven't been great and ignore the ones that worked out ? Did we know Burn was too good to turn down ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, reefatoon said: You wouldn’t want to upgrade on Longstaff this month? I’d rather we bring in a player that can put Longstaff on the bench than bring someone in who is not as good as him. Seems a hugely backward step to do that. That’s exactly the point I want to make. Longstaff is a very easy target that looks easily replaceable - but in fact he has the most distance covered per match. He covered a lot for Bruno and Trippier. If the one we bring in to replace him now - without a proper pre season training to fit in - could not cover as much as Longstaff, then our result probably would not get better, or become even worse than now. It’s a big gamble to bring in someone like Maddison or Tielemans now, and the question is, is it necessary to do it “now” or we could wait till “summer” in order to keep our form? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Sorry Zero fella, but that sounds madness. Just look what all the signings did last January. It was a massive lift. Why would that be the opposite this January? We are flying high, but signing a quality player or two this month would be a huge lift to the team. You sign great players, they lift everyone around them too. Edited January 13, 2023 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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