Kid Icarus Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Remember when we were heavily linked with Todd Cantwell? Honestly feels like 2 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Kanji said: Sitting here on 1/12 looking at the window - I'll say it's a real missed opportunity to not strengthen where Howe wants in the positions he wants. The club continue to remind us about FFP issues, I won't argue against those because I haven't the time or energy or access to the data to work the math out, but I am certain we do eventually need to shift some of the deadweight off the books to free up wages, squad places, and increase income through player trading and commercial deals. Really don't know whats going on with the commerical side - we saw a flurry of activity before the Saudi winter break and that was really encouraging but not heard too much about new commerical deals for the future otherwise. If the CEO and Commerical guy can't get those deals done quick enough or advance them to know that X is incoming over X years, let's go and spend that'll be a real disappointment. Many many days left in the window, and I know the club plead poverty then signed Isak so as usual, judge them when it SLAMs shut. Who do you think is offering to buy our deadwood and take on their wages, out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Unless there is a very lucrative deal on the table, I prefer not buying any players that would replace our starting eleven. We should instead get more covers, more young prospects that can step up when needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 8 hours ago, nbthree3 said: And promptly When Trippier went down injured the other night I immediately thought of this guy, I don't know who he is but this seams like a sensible transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, Zero said: Unless there is a very lucrative deal on the table, I prefer not buying any players that would replace our starting eleven. We should instead get more covers, more young prospects that can step up when needed You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, reefatoon said: You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. Absolutely, this idea of “improving the bench” is nonsense. It leads to what’s always happened here, signing sub par players on long and expensive contracts who become difficult to shift. Every first team signing needs to be a player who can immediately challenge and improve the first 11. Players then from the first 11 may drop to the bench which gives depth. Showed the other night when Isak and St Maximan both came on Edited January 13, 2023 by Andy84 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 It's really not one or the other anymore. If we need a 1st teamer and a January deal is acceptable, then they'll do it. Likewise, they'll be looking to buy young prospects for positions we don't have a current urgent need for that might take a bench role. FFP does limit and if we use Botman as an example, at the moment we don't need someone to compete with him but we need an improvement over current bench options. Do we spend c. 40m on that person or 20m on a prospect who's not quite there but has that potential. I doubt there's any club (Man City aside) that has a bench if 1st-team "ready" players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Hhtoon said: It's really not one or the other anymore. If we need a 1st teamer and a January deal is acceptable, then they'll do it. Likewise, they'll be looking to buy young prospects for positions we don't have a current urgent need for that might take a bench role. FFP does limit and if we use Botman as an example, at the moment we don't need someone to compete with him but we need an improvement over current bench options. Do we spend c. 40m on that person or 20m on a prospect who's not quite there but has that potential. I doubt there's any club (Man City aside) that has a bench if 1st-team "ready" players. Agreed. We have our list of players we want and if one of them is attainable for the right price then we’ll probably sign one of them later in the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, reefatoon said: You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. In a perfect world yes that's how it would work. However there will be players currently playing in the first 11 who don't want to just be sat on the bench as rotation/cover. You have to strike the right balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mazzy said: In a perfect world yes that's how it would work. However there will be players currently playing in the first 11 who don't want to just be sat on the bench as rotation/cover. You have to strike the right balance. I totally agree with bringing in young players that could be brought into the squad and used from the bench. I don’t think we should be going out to sign players not good enough for our first team though. We are nowhere near good enough squad wise to bring in players just to sit on our bench. It’s probably only Man City and Chelsea that do that. If we are to sign players, you can bet it will be to improve the first 11 and not some mediocre player to just sit on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I know we're allegedly looking for a younger player, but still think Trossard would be a great pick up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-prepared-lose-newcastle-target-near-future-previously-asking-exaggerated-e45m-fee/ Gonçalo Inácio, 21 yr old CB from Sporting, who we allegedly bid for last summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Need to Strengthen (end of) …even if it’s just 1 player. if you stand still (you fall behind) in the premier league. Everyone else below us in the table will be improving and by the looks of it some decent signings (which will help them close the gap)….everyone above us in the table will look to strengthen and widen the gap. Doesn’t have to major changes , just enough to keep improving. All about bringing in the right player and not necessarily quantity. In HOWE we trust. Edited January 13, 2023 by JonBez comesock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I know we're allegedly looking for a younger player, but still think Trossard would be a great pick up. Questions about his attitude and training on his own at Brighton supposedly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Imagine our manager saying that two years ago, although it was truthfully the case. Such is the change in situations, we are now chill with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Hhtoon said: It's really not one or the other anymore. If we need a 1st teamer and a January deal is acceptable, then they'll do it. Likewise, they'll be looking to buy young prospects for positions we don't have a current urgent need for that might take a bench role. FFP does limit and if we use Botman as an example, at the moment we don't need someone to compete with him but we need an improvement over current bench options. Do we spend c. 40m on that person or 20m on a prospect who's not quite there but has that potential. I doubt there's any club (Man City aside) that has a bench if 1st-team "ready" players. Literally every top 6 side aspires for that or close. It's first team players or youngsters aiming to become regulars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Part of becoming a top 6 side, is dealing with good players who will not be happy to sit on the bench. Every top 6 club has 8-10 players who signed expecting to be a 1st team regular - that has to sit on the bench. Wan-Bissaka. Matt Doherty. Tomiyasu. Tierney. We have Wood & Murphy getting loads of minutes per month. Trippier and the midfielders barely get a break. We could sign 3 first team players and not disrupt the squad much at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Our bench should be understudies with high ceiling. Not first teamers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, arnonel said: Our bench should be understudies with high ceiling. Not first teamers It should be a mix of understudies, first teamers being rotated and youngsters. It's not yet but it will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, madras said: It should be a mix of understudies, first teamers being rotated and youngsters. It's not yet but it will be. This is the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think we should sign 2 more players in this window. We will probably be in Europe next season and we will likely need to play 10+ more games than this season. With our current squad I think we overachieved this season and if we are not careful enough, we may be dragged into a relegation battle next season like 16/17 Leicester, 05/06 Everton, 05/06 Real Betis and 03/04 Celta Vigo. We will need at least 5-6 more players for European competitions and if we only sign them in summer it also takes time for so many players to gel in the team. If we can sign 2 players this month then hopefully it can smooth out the process a bit while also giving us a lift for the push into top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Why on earth should we have an understudy for Sean Longstaff? High ceiling youngsters First teamers The way we have competition at CF, we need that in midfield. 1 or 2 injuries or suspensions and the team starts to pick itself. i reckon Joel is dropped for the weekend. Longstaff Bruno Willock Almiron Wilson ASM Isak is the only useful option off the bench here. We'll almost certainly see Murphy run out too. Any other substitutions will be enforced, luxury or desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 hours ago, reefatoon said: You upgrade your first team and then they become the cover/subs. This is how you improve. Do it the coming summer, not now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Zero said: Do it the coming summer, not now. Upgrade whenever the right player comes along with the right deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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