SUPERTOON Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Still think Tielemans on a free is a no brainer and would be superb business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: That part isn't my job lol. I was just making the point that, yes, it would be hard/impossible to sign 6 good players for that kind of money, but I don't think that is exactly the plan. I think they will likely be looking at 3 first team additions (LB, CM, Forward), and then 2/3 players who may not be ready to play 38 games of a PL season, but that can be developed over the course of a year or 2 to get to that point. We need a CB, but the pressure to bring in a CB who can instantly come into the starting 11 v a LB who can isn't the same. I expect some signings we have heard plenty about (Maddison, Diaby etc) and some Brighton style ones who we (and most others) have never heard of. Aye my point is that if we sign Maddison and Diaby, your 120m budget is gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, BrianSwan said: Realistic Free agents this Summer Tielemans FREE Ndicka FREE Zaha FREE Grimaldo FREE Thuram FREE Kamada FREE Guerreiro FREE Bamba FREE Veltman FREE Taking 2 or 3 of these would be nice Realistic Transfers with 1 year left (After this Summer) Maddison - £50 M Mount - £60 M Milinkovic-Savic - £50 M Neves - £50 M Olmo - £50 M Rice - £75 M Leao - £80 M Dembele - £60 M Kamada is going to Dortmund. Rice is going for close to double that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, STM said: Aye my point is that if we sign Maddison and Diaby, your 120m budget is gone. We absolutely aren't signing both of them, I used their names as examples of players we've been linked too regularly. The only way that happens is if we qualify for the CL, but I've already said I believe if that happens the money spent will likely get close to 200m. Or if we manage to receive a large fee for ASM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: As far as I understand it, the length of the contracts recently at Chelsea are purely an accounting trick used for amortising the transfer fee over as long of a period as possible. Which wouldn't be relevant with Mount as it's a renewal rather than a new signing. I had read they wanted to give him a long contract but that doesn't seem to be the case. But the latest Athletic article suggests there are a number of complications particularly the new regimes fondness of highly-incentivised contracts. I like that idea across football. As I understand most high-level contracts are 80-90% secured e.g. 100k p/w no matter what. Then 10k appearance bonus. Maybe 15k goal bonus etc. Much less common is a 50k base. 30k appearance bonus for 49 minutes + or 15k for any appearance. 40% bonus for qualifying for CL etc. That changes the whole complexion of the contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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McCormick Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, andycap said: Scott mctominay mason mount now joe gomes we must be flush because all these clubs will be wanting massive amounts. Crackers shopping in the domestic league. I think getting good value deals from abroad is getting harder and, with the strength of the PL, massively more risky. Someone like Kone for example would go for 50m; great talent on paper, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a bargain. See also Diaby for a possible 65m, Scamacca for 35m, Antony for 80m etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Some really good players on that free transfer list - their agents will be making a lot of money this summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I had read they wanted to give him a long contract but that doesn't seem to be the case. But the latest Athletic article suggests there are a number of complications particularly the new regimes fondness of highly-incentivised contracts. I like that idea across football. As I understand most high-level contracts are 80-90% secured e.g. 100k p/w no matter what. Then 10k appearance bonus. Maybe 15k goal bonus etc. Much less common is a 50k base. 30k appearance bonus for 49 minutes + or 15k for any appearance. 40% bonus for qualifying for CL etc. That changes the whole complexion of the contract. One thing I find interesting about the Chelsea contracts was the wage drops if CL football isn't attained. I know most non 'big 6' sides have relegation wage reduction clauses, but I'd never heard of a reduction based on not getting CL. It may be a common thing among the more traditional top 4 sides, but it's not something I'd heard of till this new Chelsea ownership came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, McCormick said: I think getting good value deals from abroad is getting harder and, with the strength of the PL, massively more risky. Someone like Kone for example would go for 50m; great talent on paper, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a bargain. See also Diaby for a possible 65m, Scamacca for 35m, Antony for 80m etc. l think we’d only be tempted to only look abroad when the release clauses are available and not too large. For example, I’d go for Urgarte from Sporting who reportedly has a clause of around €50m. That would be good value to me as I think he goes for a lot more than that if he signs a new deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Qualify for CL and then with our recent new sponsorship deals we will spend big on 5-6 players in my opinion. Miss out on the CL and it's anyone's guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Qualify for CL and then with our recent new sponsorship deals we will spend big on 5-6 players in my opinion. Miss out on the CL and it's anyone's guess. We're not qualifying for the CL, let's be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: We're not qualifying for the CL, let's be honest That's the spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: We're not qualifying for the CL, let's be honest Based on what ? We are 5th and have played around 70% of the season Could go 3rd with a win on Sunday ?? It’s not far fetched ?? Bizarre comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: We're not qualifying for the CL, let's be honest Eh? Why not? Bookies have us as favourites for 4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) We're not getting taken over We're not staying up We're not getting Europe We're not getting CL (YOU ARE HERE) We're not winning the league We're not winning the CL Don't fight the inevitable. Edited March 30, 2023 by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, McCormick said: I think getting good value deals from abroad is getting harder and, with the strength of the PL, massively more risky. Someone like Kone for example would go for 50m; great talent on paper, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a bargain. See also Diaby for a possible 65m, Scamacca for 35m, Antony for 80m etc. Is it a more risk thou? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Realistically we need 20 points from the remaining 30 to finish 4th. Our form post-WC doesn't suggest that we're capable of doing that. I reckon we'll be around 5 points shy. I'd be pure buzzing if we did qualify like, obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) @nufc123Buying players from outside the PL you mean? I’d say so, especially if they’re playing for smaller sides. There’ll be obvious exceptions where the player’s talent is so undeniable that they’d thrive in any league but it’s easy to see why buying solid performers in the PL is considered a safer bet. Edited March 30, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Realistically we need 20 points from the remaining 30 to finish 4th. Our form post-WC doesn't suggest that we're capable of doing that. I reckon we'll be around 5 points shy. I'd be pure buzzing if we did qualify like, obviously I'd say rather than any actual points total, we give ourselves a huge chance if we beat Man U on Sunday, and Spurs when they come up to visit. That Spurs game could be a 4th place 6 pointer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, sushimonster85 said: I'd say rather than any actual points total, we give ourselves a huge chance if we beat Man U on Sunday, and Spurs when they come up to visit. That Spurs game could be a 4th place 6 pointer. I'd add Brighton into that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Realistically we need 20 points from the remaining 30 to finish 4th. Our form post-WC doesn't suggest that we're capable of doing that. I reckon we'll be around 5 points shy. I'd be pure buzzing if we did qualify like, obviously We have 12 games left so 36 points to play for. 6 wins and 2 draws from the final 12 gets 20 points and is achievable. Who knows if that will be enough to get 4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, McCormick said: @nufc123Buying players from outside the PL you mean? I’d say so, especially if they’re playing for smaller sides. There’ll be obvious exceptions where the player’s talent is so undeniable that they’d thrive in any league but it’s easy to see why buying solid performers in the PL is considered a safer bet. Agree for the smaller sides, but I cant see that many big buys in the PL who has been a success lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 We've got a decent chance of 4th like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Agree for the smaller sides, but I cant see that many big buys in the PL who has been a success lately All of those players Liverpool bought from Southampton won them a Champions League. Arsenal buying Jesus and Zinchenko may yet win them the league too. Edited March 30, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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