Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[Toonjam88]

3 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Ffp is based on a rolling three year basis and we’ve spent more now with last two windows so that will be why we have less (if we do). Said it a few times now - these owners have a long term plan they don’t seem to deviate from so I feel a lot of people will be hugely disappointed at the end of this window.

Think you have totally miss understood how FFP works. If it is a 3 year rolling thing, which yes losses are, why would Chelsea do 8 year contracts? 

[timeEd32]

18 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said:

Think you have totally miss understood how FFP works. If it is a 3 year rolling thing, which yes losses are, why would Chelsea do 8 year contracts? 

No, he’s right. A club’s finances are measured on a rolling three year basis. 
 

Contract length gets into player amortization. If a player costs £80M and is given a four year contract then the fee is spread across each of those years (£20m each year). If you give that same player an eight year contract then the fee is only £10m per year. So in that example the same player costs half as much for FFP purposes. 
 

The risk in that scenario, aside from potentially getting stuck with a player’s wages far past their usefulness, is the remaining balance is deducted from a sale. So let’s say the four year contract player is sold after year three for £50m. Per FFP you would have paid £20m three times or £60m of the £80m. In the year four accounts you can book that sale as a £30m profit (£50m incoming minus the remaining £20m “owed”). 
 

Now if you do the same thing for a player on the 8 year deal you have only “paid” £30m after three years, so selling for £50m only lets you break even. 
 

(“Owed” and “paid” are in quotes because this has nothing to do with the actual money changing hands. You could have paid the selling club the £80m in cash on day one).

[andycap]

If we got our money back for wood then I can see lascelles been worth twenty million. 

[TRon]

33 minutes ago, andycap said:

If we got our money back for wood then I can see lascelles been worth twenty million. 

 

Why not? A 30 yr old Ward Prowse is supposedly worth £70m.

[The Butcher]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’d be disappointed to sell Miggy, ASM or Longstaff for 30. 

30 for Miggy would be amazing,  but nee cunt is paying that for him.

[r0cafella]

Also let’s be clear here, Longstaff can never be sold. 

[Chris_R]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Also let’s be clear here, Longstaff can never be sold. 

This. Home grown first teamer when we already don't have enough? He's going nowhere. I think even for 60, maybe 80m we'd still say 'no'.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

This. Home grown first teamer when we already don't have enough? He's going nowhere. I think even for 60, maybe 80m we'd still say 'no'.

Exactly, he’s far too valuable to sell and I reckon he can still improve as well. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Nah, they want glory. To be the best. On and off the pitch. No malo. 

That doesn’t mean throwing loads and loads of money at it.  Man City failed at the beginning because they signed ‘name’ mercenaries- and we’re starting from a lower base.  Buying a load of expensive players right now is more likely to fail than succeed.  Sensible and proportionate squad building is the way forward.

 

And that’s precisely what they’re doing, in fairness.  While I think the £75m budget stuff is gamesmanship, the real budget isn’t likely to be too much more due to FFP

[Cronky]

More on Szoboszlai fwiw. I get the feeling we're front-runners, whereas I'm not so sure when it comes to Maddison.

 

https://sportwitness.co.uk/newcastle-preparing-make-staggering-offer-midfielder-club-will-make-good-use-money/

[ExiledGeordie]

12 minutes ago, Cronky said:

More on Szoboszlai fwiw. I get the feeling we're front-runners, whereas I'm not so sure when it comes to Maddison.

 

https://sportwitness.co.uk/newcastle-preparing-make-staggering-offer-midfielder-club-will-make-good-use-money/

He does seem like he’s our Isak type signing for midfield. Mind Maddison also seems tailor made for us and I doubt we get both. It’ll be interesting to see how this develops 

[Cronky]

18 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

He does seem like he’s our Isak type signing for midfield. Mind Maddison also seems tailor made for us and I doubt we get both. It’ll be interesting to see how this develops 

 

Yeah, it'd be great to have both. I think Spurs can still outbid us for Maddison, in terms of wages and transfer fee, and we don't want to be jerked around in a bidding war. This talk of him wanting to move to London has been around for a while too. Unless the player is strongly motivated to join us, I suspect we'll miss out.

[Dokko]

8 hours ago, aussiemag said:

 

What is the minimum offer you would accept for our key players? 

 

Pope - 30 mill

Trippier - 25 mill

Schar - 20 mill

Botman - 80 mill

Burn - 10 mill

Targett - 10 mill

Bruno - 120 mill

Joelinton - 70 mill

Willock - 40 mill

Longstaff - 40 mill

ASM - 40 mill

Almiron - 35 mill

Gordan - 35 mill

Murphy - 15 mill

Isak -  120 mill

Wilson - 30 mill

 

 

 

 

IMO

[Guest]

We'd need to spend £50-60m for an elite keeper so for now, Pope wouldn't have a tag. 

[gbandit]

The only one I disagree with is Willock as I believe he’s got the potential to go on another level and be worth even more. He’s so close to being an absolute beast

[Coffee_Johnny]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

That doesn’t mean throwing loads and loads of money at it.  Man City failed at the beginning because they signed ‘name’ mercenaries- and we’re starting from a lower base.  Buying a load of expensive players right now is more likely to fail than succeed.  Sensible and proportionate squad building is the way forward.

 

And that’s precisely what they’re doing, in fairness.  While I think the £75m budget stuff is gamesmanship, the real budget isn’t likely to be too much more due to FFP

I agree and we’ll see are my immediate thoughts. 
In that sensible (as in required upgrades/back-ups) squad building with a bigger war chest than many expect is the way we’ll go. I don’t know what the eventual spend will be this summer, and to be honest I don’t understand the real parameters of FFP, I do think it’ll end up closer to twice the figure you quote though. Whatever the number ends up being it’s going to be really exciting.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Coffee_Johnny said:

I agree and we’ll see are my immediate thoughts. 
In that sensible (as in required upgrades/back-ups) squad building with a bigger war chest than many expect is the way we’ll go. I don’t know what the eventual spend will be this summer, and to be honest I don’t understand the real parameters of FFP, I do think it’ll end up closer to twice the figure you quote though. Whatever the number ends up being it’s going to be really exciting.

Yeah, I’ve wrote on here before I reckon £100-120m is likely and £150m if the right players are available.  £75m seems to be clear bullshitting.  

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, gbandit said:

The only one I disagree with is Willock as I believe he’s got the potential to go on another level and be worth even more. He’s so close to being an absolute beast

He’s an excellent footballer - if the lad continues to develop he’ll be an England squad player at a minimum by the end of next season. 

[ExiledGeordie]

18 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Yeah, it'd be great to have both. I think Spurs can still outbid us for Maddison, in terms of wages and transfer fee, and we don't want to be jerked around in a bidding war. This talk of him wanting to move to London has been around for a while too. Unless the player is strongly motivated to join us, I suspect we'll miss out.

Yes it may come down to some personal stuff, wife wanting to move to London or whatnot plus I agree Spurs will throw more money at him fee and wages wise because that’s the only way they’ll get him. To be fair if he goes to Spurs then it kind of simplifies things, he didn’t want to come to us anyway and maybe we aren’t that arsed.
 

Footballing wise it seems a no brainer to come to us at the moment, in champions league, stalwart England players already here, on the up, immense home atmosphere. I think if we genuinely want him we’ll probably get him if he wants to come because Spurs are a damp squib currently. 

[BoSelecta]

Any commercial deals they have lined up dictate how far they will go imo. Man U are getting £24m a season for their training kit sponsor - if we get even half of that it pays the £60m fee for Szobozlai over 5 years. 

[TheBrownBottle]

25 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Yeah, it'd be great to have both. I think Spurs can still outbid us for Maddison, in terms of wages and transfer fee, and we don't want to be jerked around in a bidding war. This talk of him wanting to move to London has been around for a while too. Unless the player is strongly motivated to join us, I suspect we'll miss out.

Szoboszlai would be my preference - can’t quite believe we’re in for a player like that.  Could easily see him being one of the best attacking midfielders on the planet in a couple of years.  Maddison would be a good signing - Szoboszlai an incredible for me. 

[ExiledGeordie]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Szoboszlai would be my preference - can’t quite believe we’re in for a player like that.  Could easily see him being one of the best attacking midfielders on the planet in a couple of years.  Maddison would be a good signing - Szoboszlai an incredible for me. 

I think if they think they can genuinely get him then he’ll be one of the star signings and a player they’d probably choose over someone like Maddison. That’s just a hunch and not based on anything. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, ExiledGeordie said:

I think if they think they can genuinely get him then he’ll be one of the star signings and a player they’d probably choose over someone like Maddison. That’s just a hunch and not based on anything. 

Yeah, agreed.  He’d be the big summer signing I’d think.  I’ve got the feeling that we’ve moved on from Maddison after the bid last summer. 

[sempuki]

A strange one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12182461/Newcastle-want-loan-deal-Man-Utds-Harry-Maguire-Red-Devils-want-permanent-move.html

[Guest]

If we wanted to get £8-10m from Lascelles while we have the chance and get him in for a year until we upgrade Schar (either with Maguire himself if he rediscovered his Leicester form or someone else) then I'd take it.