Mansour Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, KaKa said: This is the most legit source for the Alvarez link. Says the initial 30 million euros offer was verbal and that discussions are continuing. No mention of them not wanting to sell before the world cup and no mention of them wanting 50 million euros (like the other tweets claimed). This one may well have something to it. Not familiar with this particular source, but I know that Mike Verweij is very reliable when it comes to Dutch football, particularly Ajax. David Ornstein and Alfredo Martinez's calibre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlau88210 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Possibly Bruno replacement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Comes back a bit to wanting a metronomic ticking-over CM that was mentioned a while back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) Having seen the attention that Bruno received against Brighton, I do think that for his sake it's imperative we sign another central midfielder that makes it impossible for other teams to double up on players without freeing up another that can cause problems. Edited August 21, 2022 by Lenny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, kenlau88210 said: Possibly Bruno replacement? Probably more of a Shelvey replacement in terms of playing as a deep midfielder. Won't have the attacking threat but could help unshackle bruno and joe from defensive duties, letting them be nuisances much further up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, thomas said: Probably more of a Shelvey replacement in terms of playing as a deep midfielder. Won't have the attacking threat but could help unshackle bruno and joe from defensive duties, letting them be nuisances much further up. Yeah, he'd be more of a defensive midfielder that sits in that deep role giving Bruno more license to roam and look to open things up and be a goal threat like he was at times last season, which he tended to do a bit more when Shelvey was sitting in that deeper role. After seeing the joy Brighton had against us, I also think against teams that use the ball better we'd be better served having a legit DM that is more defensive minded in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Edison lad can score though. But looks a great tackler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, 54 said: Gallagher starting for Chelsea today. With Kante out, can’t see them letting him/anyone else in the CM mix go on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, kenlau88210 said: Possibly Bruno replacement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Alvarez looks like what you want for that role if you go for it. Big long stride to cover across the back 4, very strong in the challenge. But also able to take the ball in a tight area step past a challenge and move it forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlau88210 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: I sure want Bruno to stay too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, kenlau88210 said: Possibly Bruno replacement? It'll be bollocks but with having Joelinton & Bruno we could sign either a defensive or attacking CM to play alongside them. Someone like Maddison/Paqueta would have allowed Bruno to continue to play deeper. Signing a DM allows him more freedom to go forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, KaKa said: Yeah, he'd be more of a defensive midfielder that sits in that deep role giving Bruno more license to roam and look to open things up and be a goal threat like he was at times last season, which he tended to do a bit more when Shelvey was sitting in that deeper role. After seeing the joy Brighton had against us, I also think against teams that use the ball better we'd be better served having a legit DM that is more defensive minded in there. He's a top DM with incredible passing, and can chip in with a fair few goals, but to make him our goal threat is wasting him. We need a Maddison/Cannibaga to be the goal threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Alvarez, up until recently, has been pretty average, honestly. Up until last year, the guy was your basic cdm grafter; great defensively but couldn’t pick out a pass with any real precision. Not sure why but he’s been sooo much better with his passing recently and looks like a really good midfielder now. If you’re looking for someone energetic to break up play and lay it off, he’s very decent; just don’t expect any visionary chance-creating passes from him. In saying that, 50m seems an outrageous fee for the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 A midfield with him and Joelinton in it on top of the defensive upgrades we've made and I don't see us conceding too many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: He's a top DM with incredible passing, and can chip in with a fair few goals, but to make him our goal threat is wasting him. We need a Maddison/Cannibaga to be the goal threat. He wouldn't be our goal threat. He'd mostly be our door opener with his playmaking higher up the pitch, while chipping in the odd goal. If we are bringing in a DM to push up and free Bruno up more, I'm thinking we have a goal scoring right winger lined up on loan now. Probably Pulisic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, McCormick said: Alvarez, up until recently, has been pretty average, honestly. Up until last year, the guy was your basic cdm grafter; great defensively but couldn’t pick out a pass with any real precision. Not sure why but he’s been sooo much better with his passing recently and looks like a really good midfielder now. If you’re looking for someone energetic to break up play and lay it off, he’s very decent; just don’t expect any visionary chance-creating passes from him. In saying that, 50m seems an outrageous fee for the guy. We have Bruno for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: He wouldn't be our goal threat. He'd mostly be our door opener with his playmaking higher up the pitch, while chipping in the odd goal. If we are bringing in a DM to push up and free Bruno up more, I'm thinking we have a goal scoring right winger lined up on loan now. Probably Pulisic. Yeah. I guess, finances might dictate this, but I'd rather have a Pulisic and a Maddison, keeping Bruno as the DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Yeah. I guess, finances might dictate this, but I'd rather have a Pulisic and a Maddison, keeping Bruno as the DM. I was leaning towards this before, but I 've gone the other way now. I think when teams sit deep like Forest did. I'd rather have him further up in more dangerous positions looking to make things happen. And then against Brighton where they used the ball so well. I didn't really like him as our last line of defence in midfield. Think we can do with a more physical, aggressive and combative presence in there, who can use the ball well enough to just rotate the ball and find the midfielders ahead of him that then initiate chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Gallagher hopefully knocked a few mill off his price there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: I was leaning towards this before, but I 've gone the other way now. I think when teams sit deep like Forest did. I'd rather have him further up in more dangerous positions looking to make things happen. And then against Brighton where they used the ball so well. I didn't really like him as our last line of defence in midfield. Think we can do with a more physical, aggressive and combative presence in there, who can use the ball well enough to just rotate the ball and find the midfielders ahead of him that then initiate chances. He made things happen against Forest from a DM position. His position on the pitch is dependent upon the gameplan. I think Forest sitting deep did a good job of nullifying everything he made happen due to the lack of an extra attacker in the box. I can certainly see the argument, and right now he's the best option for both positions, I just think we'd get more out of him with another attacker than with another defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Just now, Happinesstan said: He made things happen against Forest from a DM position. His position on the pitch is dependent upon the gameplan. I think Forest sitting deep did a good job of nullifying everything he made happen due to the lack of an extra attacker in the box. I can certainly see the argument, and right now he's the best option for both positions, I just think we'd get more out of him with another attacker than with another defender. I agree about Forest, but it was partly because they were sitting that deep he could still create from DM. I'd like him to have even more freedom. But I understand what you're saying. I just see it differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: I agree about Forest, but it was partly because they were sitting that deep he could still create from DM. I'd like him to have even more freedom. But I understand what you're saying. I just see it differently. Sure, but we need to create that freedom for him. I think our high press allows him to operate in the positions we want him to, but against teams like Forest it can backfire if he's too advanced, which I think at times we were. But luckily our advanced position allowed Schar to do what he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I’m confused. So this Alvarez character is a defensive, deep lying midfield player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’m confused. So this Alvarez character is a defensive, deep lying midfield player? Against Chelsea a few years back ... Edited August 21, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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