Rafalove Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Enjoyed this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Found this article in this morning, made me giggle, reminding me of what many of us have done/do... Tweaking of wikipedia accounts, tweeting and re-tweeting etc, to either elevate or devaluate your heroes/villains: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/13/the-amazing-trueish-story-of-the-honduran-maradona-alexander-lopez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still. The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues. Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still. The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues. Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers. Arteta started as a coach/assistant, Xavi started in Qatar and Alonso coached a B team for 3 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, triggs said: Arteta started as a coach/assistant, Xavi started in Qatar and Alonso coached a B team for 3 years I know. Still early. None of these jobs suggest they should land CL jobs in top 5 leagues or a top 6 PL job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still. The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues. Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers. By best English pro's do you mean Gerrard who has been shit at villa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: By best English pro's do you mean Gerrard who has been shit at villa? Or Lampard that was Chelsea manager after about 5 minutes at Derby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 You can name them all.. Rooney, Campbell, Scholes etc. It could just be that they are obviously pap and clubs know it. But I do think it's difficult for any English manager to land a top job in club football. If they managed in any other top 5 division, managers like Howe and Potter would have opportunities at clubs at the higher end of the table much earlier. There's an opportunity cost lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Warthog Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I'm actually off to Saudi Arabia tomorrow. Maybe if I wear a toon top, I'll get business class thrown in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: You can name them all.. Rooney, Campbell, Scholes etc. It could just be that they are obviously pap and clubs know it. But I do think it's difficult for any English manager to land a top job in club football. If they managed in any other top 5 division, managers like Howe and Potter would have opportunities at clubs at the higher end of the table much earlier. There's an opportunity cost lost. The other side of the argument is whether they would be as good as they are if they had the playing careers of those given early opportunities. They're amongst the elite because of graft, insight and eagerness to adapt. Gerrard, Lamps, Rooney used they careers to leapfrog what should have been a lengthier process. Rooney wasn't prepared for even Derby level of management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, The Bonk said: The other side of the argument is whether they would be as good as they are if they had the playing careers of those given early opportunities. They're amongst the elite because of graft, insight and eagerness to adapt. Gerrard, Lamps, Rooney used they careers to leapfrog what should have been a lengthier process. Rooney wasn't prepared for even Derby level of management. But this same point applies to Xavi, Alonso, Arteta even Ole.. take it further Pirlo, Zidane, Inzaghi etc. Again tbf there's precedent on Europe for giving unproven managers a try and it becoming a success. My point is there's not much of a pathway for British managers (and language is a massive barrier... and talent/application). Similar achievements to what Brendan did at Leicester would have landed him another go at a bigger club if he did it in Spain, Italy etc. Likewise Potter gets his chance 16 months ago, Howe 4 years ago. Outside the real elite managerial talent, I do think those managers would've done better than some of the more recent Spurs, Arsenal and Man Utd managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Manchester United Supporters' Trust taking legal action regarding their fans getting a reduced allocation at Chelsea next week after the full 3000 was already sold out. Sky just took the piss announcing what day the game was happening and what time it was kicking off, belatedly said it was a Saturday 5:30pm so the Met then decided it was thus a high risk fixture for bother even though even later kick offs and larger away allocations have had incredibly few arrests and ejections. Fans being treated like dogshit once again, fucking sick of it. Edited October 14, 2022 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Didn’t see this Sheffield Wednesday sponsorship coming, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Seen Agbonlahor giving it large about being Villa's all-time top scorer, with a massive 74 league goals, 86 in all competitions. Surely that must be the shiitest all-time top-scorer stat in the top few leagues? We have to go down to Shola as our 9th top scorer to get down to those kind of figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 That must be PL only surely? Find it hard to believe some brylcreem fanatic didn't score more back in the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Fucking hell, even if it's at PL level that's canny embarrassing considering some of the talent they've had. Smacks of Klose outscoring Ronaldo at World Cups Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Definitely PL only. Not even in top 10 all time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 86 in 391 appearances too . It's just Shola-esque longevity really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Thinking about it he’s the only forward they’ve had who stayed a while. Yorke was only about a few seasons and then anyone else was a mixture of shit and not there that long. Guess Dublin played a bit at centre half too which knacked his chances. Haven't had many, if any, top strikers in the PL era for a club of their size. Always did like JP Angel though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Shearer's our only player with 50 plus Premier League goals. Guess it's turnover of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Disco said: Thinking about it he’s the only forward they’ve had who stayed a while. Yorke was only about a few seasons and then anyone else was a mixture of shit and not there that long. Guess Dublin played a bit at centre half too. Without googling Peter Withe and Gary Shaw are the only two I can think of other thsn those two Ps pre-prem Edited October 14, 2022 by Groundhog63 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Justice for Savo Milosevic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Shearer's our only player with 50 plus Premier League goals. Guess it's turnover of players. Mad that but then anyone else decent fucked off after a couple of years. Wilson can’t be far off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, Wullie said: Justice for Savo Milosevic. I remember them signing him and Shoot magazine making a big thing about how he's play wearing a bandana. He never did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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