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Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still.

 

The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues.

 

Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers.

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1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still.

 

The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues.

 

Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers.

Arteta started as a coach/assistant, Xavi started in Qatar and Alonso coached a B team for 3 years

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Ex-Spanish pros sure do land in some great jobs very early. Really i'm just thinking of Alonso, Xavi & Arteta but still.

 

The best ex-English pros start off at Rangers. A massive club but it's not in the top 5 leagues.

 

Lack of language is a barrier. Alonso presumably speaks German due to his time at Bayern. Arteta spent most of his career in Scotland/England. So they're stuck with British jobs - most of which go to experienced managers.

By best English pro's do you mean Gerrard who has been shit at villa?

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You can name them all.. Rooney, Campbell, Scholes etc.

 

It could just be that they are obviously pap and clubs know it.

 

But I do think it's difficult for any English manager to land a top job in club football. If they managed in any other top 5 division, managers like Howe and Potter would have opportunities at clubs at the higher end of the table much earlier. There's an opportunity cost lost.

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

You can name them all.. Rooney, Campbell, Scholes etc.

 

It could just be that they are obviously pap and clubs know it.

 

But I do think it's difficult for any English manager to land a top job in club football. If they managed in any other top 5 division, managers like Howe and Potter would have opportunities at clubs at the higher end of the table much earlier. There's an opportunity cost lost.

 

The other side of the argument is whether they would be as good as they are if they had the playing careers of those given early opportunities. They're amongst the elite because of graft, insight and eagerness to adapt. Gerrard, Lamps, Rooney used they careers to leapfrog what should have been a lengthier process. 

Rooney wasn't prepared for even Derby level of management. 

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1 hour ago, The Bonk said:

 

The other side of the argument is whether they would be as good as they are if they had the playing careers of those given early opportunities. They're amongst the elite because of graft, insight and eagerness to adapt. Gerrard, Lamps, Rooney used they careers to leapfrog what should have been a lengthier process. 

Rooney wasn't prepared for even Derby level of management. 

But this same point applies to Xavi, Alonso, Arteta even Ole.. take it further Pirlo, Zidane, Inzaghi etc.

 

Again tbf there's precedent on Europe for giving unproven managers a try and it becoming a success. My point is there's not much of a pathway for British managers (and language is a massive barrier... and talent/application).

 

Similar achievements to what Brendan did at Leicester would have landed him another go at a bigger club if he did it in Spain, Italy etc. Likewise Potter gets his chance 16 months ago, Howe 4 years ago. Outside the real elite managerial talent, I do think those managers would've done better than some of the more recent Spurs, Arsenal and Man Utd managers.

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Manchester United Supporters' Trust taking legal action regarding their fans getting a reduced allocation at Chelsea next week after the full 3000 was already sold out. Sky just took the piss announcing what day the game was happening and what time it was kicking off, belatedly said it was a Saturday 5:30pm so the Met then decided it was thus a high risk fixture for bother even though even later kick offs and larger away allocations have had incredibly few arrests and ejections.

 

Fans being treated like dogshit once again, fucking sick of it.

 

 

 

 

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Seen Agbonlahor giving it large about being Villa's all-time top scorer, with a massive 74 league goals, 86 in all competitions.  Surely that must be the shiitest all-time top-scorer stat in the top few leagues? We have to go down to Shola as our 9th top scorer to get down to those kind of figures.

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Thinking about it he’s the only forward they’ve had who stayed a while. Yorke was only about a few seasons and then anyone else was a mixture of shit and not there that long. Guess Dublin played a bit at centre half too which knacked his chances.

 

Haven't had many, if any, top strikers in the PL era for a club of their size. Always did like JP Angel though.

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2 minutes ago, Disco said:

Thinking about it he’s the only forward they’ve had who stayed a while. Yorke was only about a few seasons and then anyone else was a mixture of shit and not there that long. Guess Dublin played a bit at centre half too.

Without googling Peter Withe and Gary Shaw are the only two I can think of other thsn those two 

 

 

Ps pre-prem

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Shearer's our only player with 50 plus Premier League goals. Guess it's turnover of players.


Mad that but then anyone else decent fucked off after a couple of years. Wilson can’t be far off?

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Just now, Wullie said:

Justice for Savo Milosevic.

 

I remember them signing him and Shoot magazine making a big thing about how he's play wearing a bandana. He never did.

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