Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[gbandit]

11 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

I think criticism of the ownership is fair, but Suarez and Kane are a bit apples and oranges as a comparison. The evolution of PSR has changed the way these things work. 

This is a fair comment actually. The rules essentially promote being a little bitch to cartel clubs now. Football’s just mirroring society more and more as @Sima said in an earlier post. Capitalism’s end goal naturally makes fewer and fewer people incredibly rich and successful. The only way it achieves this is by using every available means to screw over anyone outside of that most rich and powerful group. Liverpool and the other cartel clubs have successfully turned football into the horror show that we see before us in governments across the world 

[Vinny Green Balls]

10 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

I'm racking my brains but I don't remember the last time a player held out this long from even training with a team. I'm not sure how we 'get him' to play, and if he did, would he not just threaten to play badly? It's a dismal situation but one which only comes about when the player is question is an absolute scumbag. Look, we're never going to know exactly what has gone on, but I think the club has sacrificed a reasonable chunk of change to prevent the standoff blowing up even further. 

 

Gerard was of course one case where he was strongly persuaded by non-football actors to stay put.

 

we are talking 6 weeks, but only a few competitive games. It's not so wildly different from a few other hold outs.

[STM]

4 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Football at the top level is rotten to the core, sooner the game implodes the better.

 

Totally agree with this mind. 

 

Ladder has been pulled up and nobody is willing to do anything about it.

 

The fans dont want PSR. The fans dont want VAR. Both exist, despite the people who actually pay for the game not wanting them.

 

We arent the shareholders in the game we think we are. We are the customers in a business fight.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Liverpool attacking backup is currently  Elliot, Chiesa and the Rio lad.  We could’ve pushed them further. 
 

Levy routinely gets his value. He got £100m for a 30 year old Kane with 1 year left on his contract. Only Bayern interested. 
 

One of Wolves or Brentford will get within 5% of their asking price I’m convinced.  

Maybe but we can’t possibly know can we? 
 

I would personally have punished Isak and Liverpool as harshly as possible, but I’m not a business with a potentially worthless asset to deal with. 
 

It’s disappointing and annoying but I don’t think the price is really the issue. 

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, NEEJ said:

I think he's far surpassed that pointless little man in the cunt stakes, like.

 

Owen didn't make an absolutely enormous contribution to three of the best years I've ever had supporting the club, but this isn't a fun game...

[Displayname]

Would be interesting to see how you guys would react if Eddie comes out and say that it was his and the players decision.

[Kid Icarus]

14 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Exactly. As I said yesterday, you don't become successful in business by letting your assets rot and lose value. There's also an argument that you don't become a successful football club that way too - all clubs but the very best have to be open to selling players now in the PSR era, it's the only way to grow. 

 

The club will have weighed all this up and made the decision they felt was best for them. They haven't just buckled and given in, it'll be a calculated decision. 

Still waiting on examples of this happening tbh. It just seems to be a presumption based on a presumption based on a presumption.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, NE27 said:

I'm sure people are being a lot more reasonable, but I honestly hate the cunt.

 

The few redeeming features he may have had (there are few barring being a cold finisher) he's absolutely snaked us at every point. The club, his teammates, the fans which is the absolute worst one.

 

What the fuck have we as fans done to deserve him holding our club to ransom, posting FB mam posts about snakes Hun xxx, and all the while not even a token gesture of the shit he's lumped onto us.

 

Genuinely think he's on par with Owen, characterless greedy fuck.

Aye. Never seen a player burn a bridge with a club he’s so beloved at in the PL. 

 

I also blame the ownership for allowing this gap and situation to unfold like this. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

3 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

did I misquote them or just assume that the conditions talked about by the media ad infinitum since the whole Isak saga began were also included those conditions?

granted my assumption could be wrong, but the necessity of two strikers in were conditions shoved down our throats by the media since Isak's preseason disappearing act.

[La Parka]

Just now, STM said:

 

Totally agree with this mind. 

 

Ladder has been pulled up and nobody is willing to do anything about it.

 

The fans dont want PSR. The fans dont want VAR. Both exist, despite the people who actually pay for the game not wanting them.

 

We arent the shareholders in the game we think we are. We are the customers in a business fight.

It's all control.

 

Its practically sports entertainment nowadays.

 

Get yer Sen to non League!

[Matt]

Just now, Displayname said:

Would be interesting to see how you guys would react if Eddie comes out and say that it was his and the players decision.

 

Likely will never happen due to the international break. By the time Eddie is back in front of the press it will be old news (at least that's how he will treat it).

[STM]

Just now, La Parka said:

It's all control.

 

Its practically sports entertainment nowadays.

 

Get yer Sen to non League!

 

Honestly I get more satisfaction coaching my u13s and getting to the odd non league games. Theres something pure about it.

[Yorkie]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Still waiting on examples of this happening tbh. It just seems to be a presumption based on a presumption based on a presumption.

 

If Eddie Howe is still the manager at 9am tomorrow then that's all the evidence you need that the club has operated in its best interests.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

3 minutes ago, gbandit said:

This is a fair comment actually. The rules essentially promote being a little bitch to cartel clubs now. Football’s just mirroring society more and more as @Sima said in an earlier post. Capitalism’s end goal naturally makes fewer and fewer people incredibly rich and successful. The only way it achieves this is by using every available means to screw over anyone outside of that most rich and powerful group. Liverpool and the other cartel clubs have successfully turned football into the horror show that we see before us in governments across the world 

don’t sound so surprised ya bamp. 

[Tsunami]

We would have sold him earlier if we’d  landed a striker earlier. We clearly told Woltemade that Isak was gone and we’d have said the same to other targets.

 

I’m glad he’s gone. As they say, on your opening night (Burnley), break a leg you cunt.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, Displayname said:

Would be interesting to see how you guys would react if Eddie comes out and say that it was his and the players decision.

I'd still be a bit irritated with the club, even if understanding of the players' position, because they've allowed Isak and Liverpool to put us in this position.

[STM]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

If Eddie Howe is still the manager at 9am tomorrow then that's all the evidence you need that the club has operated in its best interests.

 

Totally agree.

 

Eddie's last press conference was telling. He didn't want Isak anymore.

 

Again.. we need that second striker.

[Hhtoon]

3 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

did I misquote them or just assume that the conditions talked about by the media ad infinitum since the whole Isak saga began were also included those conditions?

 

You referred to them not meeting the basic terms of the conditions in their statement and I didn't think they'd made any clear ones. If you're assuming based on the media then cool, but its just as likely that Nick W and the fees received were the conditions. Doesn't matter much though but it would be interesting to hear from the club at some point.

 

Personally, I suspect it's somewhere in middle and Isaks continued stance maybe softened their view but don't think its a complete climbdown

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, gbandit said:

This is a fair comment actually. The rules essentially promote being a little bitch to cartel clubs now. Football’s just mirroring society more and more as @Sima said in an earlier post. Capitalism’s end goal naturally makes fewer and fewer people incredibly rich and successful. The only way it achieves this is by using every available means to screw over anyone outside of that most rich and powerful group. Liverpool and the other cartel clubs have successfully turned football into the horror show that we see before us in governments across the world 

 

Exactly. And @r0cafella re your comment about us becoming a mark; PSR already does this. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, La Parka said:

It's all control.

 

Its practically sports entertainment nowadays.

 

Get yer Sen to non League!

It's also sucked the soul out of the game by turning it into an Excel wankfest.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Maybe but we can’t possibly know can we? 
 

I would personally have punished Isak and Liverpool as harshly as possible, but I’m not a business with a potentially worthless asset to deal with. 
 

It’s disappointing and annoying but I don’t think the price is really the issue. 

It is for me.  The price is a major issue. 
 

Clubs know Levy is difficult to deal with. If you want one of his star players you will have to come very close to the asking price. He’s prevented moves for Modric and Kane that don’t hit the value. Clubs will know we can be negotiated down significantly. 
 

Also a big part of it is comms.  Levy is in the building everyday. Agents and players can come and see him, he’s going to keep the communication gap small. A big part of this saga is a massive comms gap between us and the player. 
 

We also don’t have the replacement in.  And will likely pay a premium for a middling talent striker. That’s just bad business. 

[NEEJ]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

Owen didn't make an absolutely enormous contribution to three of the best years I've ever had supporting the club, but this isn't a fun game...

And I'd argue that's what makes the wiry prick even more of a cunt. He's taken all of that good will, pissed all over it, then left a steaming turd on top on his way out. 

[Hudson]

Has anybody got a link to this £150 million we wanted ?

 

Only ever seen the press quite this figure not NUFC.

 

Plus at 125 without loyalty makes the real price closer to 140 if we had to pay him.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Our on pitch performance has massively outstripped our revenue. Until our revenue is comparable to the sky six the game is rigged massively in their favour and we negotiate from a tacit position of weakness. 

[The Prophet]

22 minutes ago, stozo said:

Look at Villa. They've hit a PSR wall and they are dead this season. We've sold probably the best young winger in the league to Brighton plus an England international midfielder to Forest because we hit a PSR wall. If we want summers like this one with 4+ quality incoming purchases, we have to maximise our player sales. You can do that by selling a lot of players or by selling one very expensive player. We can all hate Isak but the reality is today is our last chance to cash maximum value on him. Not selling today would have been a massive gamble on him maintaining his value, and if he lost value then it limits our ability to buy players in future windows. 

 

We absolutely do need to trade players to navigate PSR, but that should be on our terms. Not on Isak's and definitely not on Liverpool’s, which is exactly what we've done. 

 

They've unsettled him, he's taken the piss and we've responded by giving them both exactly what they want. The blueprint is set for the next time the cartel come calling.