Joe1984 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 9 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: this is an area where I know I’m an old cunt. why would you want to understand a match by stats? Surely it’s entertainment that you live in the moment and the eye test is all you need for whether something is deserved or not? as I say, I know I’m basically a dinosaur when it comes to appreciating the general use of stats at this level in football. Surely shots on or off target is enough? Wait until we get to expected cards, expected corners, expected fouls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 That'll do nicely. Man Utd loss and City another step closer to winning the league once again, demonstrating that the league really is a pointless endeavour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Man U fans cheered the 8 mins added on, think they want the full time whistle now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 We're on a wing and a prayer to beat City in the cup, like. They look totally on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, toon25 said: We're on a wing and a prayer to beat City in the cup, like. They look totally on it We haven't beaten them recently, to give them added motivation... Oh goddammit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 12 minutes ago, toon25 said: Any celebration implying firing of a gun can fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, Pata said: It usually is a negative trait though. If you keep winning games with wonder goals and by your opponent missing sitters, it usually means you are not going to win those games for long, like that Pardew season. Like the first half in this match, someone says what is Pep doing, Man City are losing to Man United at home. Or praising Ten Hag for getting it right. I'm more than happy to say that xG was 2.70 vs 0.19 and Pep more than likely got it right but was on the wrong side of variance. I'm not sure it is. If you've got Alan Shearer or Ronaldo up front you can probably win games consistently with less than 2xG. If your forwards are shit, you can probably fail to win games consistently with more than 2xG. I'm not sure if the model has changed in recent years, but it used to be the case that 1xG for Messi would be the same as 1xG for Almiron, this is obviously a big flaw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Fraudy ten Haag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, toon25 said: We're on a wing and a prayer to beat City in the cup, like. They look totally on it Not even gonna’ bother with it, we went out at Blackburn after that draw. Edited March 3 by Joelinton7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Getting a point there would have been criminal. Not playing the same sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Tourist central in the City areas. Top brass rubbing their hands at getting rid of the pesky legacy fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, Pata said: What if you didn't watch the match and want to have some context on the result? if you didn’t watch the match no amount of numbers will help you understand in any meaningful sense how it played out, imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: Tourist central in the City areas. Top brass rubbing their hands at getting rid of the pesky legacy fans. Half and half scarves in a derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Can't believe McClaren still has a career in the PL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Sima said: Half and half scarves in a derby. Instant ban from all football stadiums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Sima said: Half and half scarves in a derby. Was watching some lad trying to sing along to a chant, not even close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 W17 D2 L0 (in all competitions) since Villa beat them in early December. City being City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Sima said: Half and half scarves in a derby. Nowt wrong with them, for example us and the mackems, the black from ours and the white from theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Andy said: I'm not sure it is. If you've got Alan Shearer or Ronaldo up front you can probably win games consistently with less than 2xG. If your forwards are shit, you can probably fail to win games consistently with more than 2xG. I'm not sure if the model has changed in recent years, but it used to be the case that 1xG for Messi would be the same as 1xG for Almiron, this is obviously a big flaw. It certainly matters but I don't think it's that massive. I just randomly looked at Haaland (good finisher) and Sterling (poor finisher) from Understat. Sterling has scored 110 from 121.06 xG so underperforming by 11 since 2014 in the PL, roughly a goal per season. Haaland since 2019 has 115 goals from 103.45 xG in Bundesliga and PL, so overperforming by roughly two goals a season. I know Understat uses very basic xG data but it's still a class site considering it's free. Edited March 3 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: W17 D2 L0 (in all competitions) since Villa beat them in early December. City being City. Well we all knew it was coming. Like every other year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: W17 D2 L0 (in all competitions) since Villa beat them in early December. City being City. Due a loss then 🥸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 16 minutes ago, OpenC said: I think people hate it because it's contrary to what a lot of people love about football - like Andy says, the wonder strike, the Gerrard slip, the unbelievable save. To try and reduce football to 'they should statistically have scored this many goals' is anathema to a lot of fans. There aren't that many metrics presented to fans during a game which are actually of any real value imo - you can count corners all you like but if they're all being floated to Mike Williamson you'd be better not having them Both things can be true: you can enjoy football for everything that cannot be quantified and also enjoy what can be in pursuit of some truth. People don't like xG because it is the most popular latent statistic, one which has to be approximated via methods that are not understood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, toon25 said: We're on a wing and a prayer to beat City in the cup, like. They look totally on it Already assumed we are out of the cup so no real dread felt on that account tbh. At full strength I know we can compete with them, but even then they are leagues ahead man for man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Every single player of theirs is so comfortable with the ball. Their ball movement and control is just ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Man U could end up in L1 and I'd still be delighted everytime they lost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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