Cronky Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, JumpersForGoalposts said: I think you're absolutely spot on. Southgate is not one for looking at evidence or making decisions based on what is happening on the pitch. The single most important thing for Gareth Souuthgate is Gareth Southgate and as long as Gareth Southgate thinks it's right, it doesn't matter whether it works or not. He seems to believe his own hubris and it makes for some fucking painful to watch and highly ineffective football. But I'm only a fan, so my opinion isn't important. I'm not Gareth Southgate, so as far as he's concerned, my opinion is worthless, even if it is based on what has gone on during the match. The point I was wanting to make is that even if Southgate gets some decisions wrong, if he were to try to please public or media opinion by going with the flow, he'd end up in an even bigger mess. I'm intrigued by the fact that the mess we saw on Friday was one I've seen before with England teams, and many on here have had the same thought. We saw one group of players acting as a team, and another acting as individuals, seemingly without any collective confidence in what they were supposed to be doing. I watched with my spouse, and even though she only watches one football game every two years, she was able to identify that crucial difference. The remedy isn't for Southgate to start picking the fans' favourites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, huss9 said: the coach and players still pedalling the line that its extremely rare that a team wins all 3 group stage games. they're still not getting it. thats not what most supporters were livid about, That annoys me. It's just some weird quirk, it's not essential to drop points in a game at least once and no excuse for playing for a draw v USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 As I've said. England's performance v the USA was peak England. Seen it constantly in group games. The rarity was the 6 goals v Iran. Perhaps that overly raised expectations. The way we play is limited and we don't use the strengths we have imho. We never build a team specifically around flair. Brooking, Hoddle, Currie (showing my age 😂) One thing I noted during the commentary was the suggestion Southgate likes his back for "because they all get on" Nice 🤔 Oh and Grealish really is wank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Groundhog63 said: As I've said. England's performance v the USA was peak England. Seen it constantly in group games. The rarity was the 6 goals v Iran. Perhaps that overly raised expectations. The way we play is limited and we don't use the strengths we have imho. We never build a team specifically around flair. Brooking, Hoddle, Currie (showing my age 😂) One thing I noted during the commentary was the suggestion Southgate likes his back for "because they all get on" Nice 🤔 Oh and Grealish really is wank I personally thought Grealish was the only one trying to make things happen. I was about 9 pints deep by the time he came on though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I was fairly pissed for England/USA. Just remember it was shit but can't recall much more tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Grealish always tries to make things happen, unfortunately it usually means running down blind alleys and losing the ball. I feel like you should only get away with that if you have good end product, which he doesn’t. He probably wouldn’t have even made my squad tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I personally thought Grealish was the only one trying to make things happen. I was about 9 pints deep by the time he came on though. Tbf when the previous 70mins were so turgid he would look better. For me he looks good but does nothing but show pony. Vastly overrated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Grealish always tries to make things happen, unfortunately it usually means running down blind alleys and losing the ball. I feel like you should only get away with that if you have good end product, which he doesn’t. He probably wouldn’t have even made my squad tbh. His main strength these days is drawing fouls. May come in handy in tight games when we need set pieces tbf. Other than that he really seems to have been neutralised at Man City, it's disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Yeah, he’s become Jonas without the charm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Tifo on YouTube nailed it re Foden. He’d start for Spain, but because he tries to make thing happen, this as a necessity means that he will occasionally lose possession. This isn’t how Southgate wants to play, so he doesn’t start. It is risk-averse football. Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Carlos out here playing that reverse jinx, despicable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likelylad Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Henderson due to replace Bellingham. It's almost funny at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, Likelylad said: Henderson due to replace Bellingham. It's almost funny at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 14:15, cubaricho said: Wilson pulls the whole team forward and brings the wingers/outside forwards into play, Kane drops back to DM and compresses the whole formation. You would’ve won yesterday with Wilson up front running at Ream and Zimmerman. Rooney used to like to play midfielder too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Fed up of Southgate like. Henderson in for Bellingham is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Talk of Walker at RB with Trippier at left back too. Saka potentially being rested due to fatigue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Probably switch to a back 5 in the knockouts if Walker is available then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 If Bellingham is out for Henderson as a tactical change rather than an injury then that’s about as bad a managerial decision you could come across Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Absolutely awful, I’ve been supportive of Southgate from the perspective that he’s a good guy and he has built a good spirit within the group but his actual tactical ability and his prioritisation of defensive-minded players and formations is absolutely shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Don’t like this journalist. Fair enough to ask questions, but the tone was bitchy as fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Good lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: Don’t like this journalist. Fair enough to ask questions, but the tone was bitchy as fuck Is the concept of countries being pronounced differently in different countries genuinely new to this journalist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Funny to think about Berhalter calling in to Naval High Command "Sir, the coach of our soccer team suggests a full withdrawl from the Persian Gulf" "We have a soccer team?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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