TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Henderson was superb, so combative in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just looking and in my lifetime (born August 90) the only "proper" elite footballing country we've beat in a knockout game was Germany last year. At a push spain on pens in euro 96 First decent opposition we face have knocked us out Same again next week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, jack j said: Just looking and in my lifetime (born August 90) the only "proper" elite footballing country we've beat in a knockout game was Germany last year. At a push spain on pens in euro 96 First decent opposition we face have knocked us out Same again next week Both at Wembley, of course. And those Spain and Germany sides were not exactly ‘peak’ Spain or Germany. Those remain England’s only knockout victories vs heavyweights (Arg, Bra, Fra, Ger, Ned, Ita, Por, Spa) since 1966. Where all the games were at Wembley. Let’s hope all the EURO 2028 games are at Wembley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Both at Wembley, of course. And those Spain and Germany sides were not exactly ‘peak’ Spain or Germany. Those remain England’s only knockout victories vs heavyweights (Arg, Bra, Fra, Ger, Ned, Ita, Por, Spa) since 1966. Where all the games were at Wembley. Let’s hope all the EURO 2028 games are at Wembley Aye wasn't gonna mention Spain. They weren't the Spain they became! And it was a Germany in decline but still a big footballing nation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco said: FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Nah, beat France and that’s a blinding result irrespective of injuries. It would be England’s best result in half a century Aye outside of England, whose the best team England have beaten in a KO game? Cameroon? Colombia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) Next round is on ITV again Edited December 4, 2022 by 54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, jack j said: Just looking and in my lifetime (born August 90) the only "proper" elite footballing country we've beat in a knockout game was Germany last year. At a push spain on pens in euro 96 First decent opposition we face have knocked us out Same again next week All in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye outside of England, whose the best team England have beaten in a KO game? Cameroon? Colombia? Still feels like Cameroon for me - though Colombia was a tough game - and let’s be honest, it took some ‘gamesmanship’ for us to get past them. Having said that, that Belgium team in ‘90 still had a few of their SF side from ‘86 in peak form. Enzo Scifo was still a sublime footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 In my lifetime pre-Southgate we'd won 3 games of knockout football. Under Southgate we've won 6. The idea that we historically breeze past the weaker teams and then come unstuck against the heavyweights doesn't really ring true - England for most of my life have been chronic underachievers, often struggling to get out of the groups or sometimes even qualifying for tournaments at all. The man's not perfect but the level of criticism he gets is mad given the relative success he's brought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 If it ends up in pens against France, I'd bring on Pope. Someone who can really fill the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorty Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 I'm that old we've won it in my lifetime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Four favourites comfortably through so far. Some upsets next couple of days wouldn't go amiss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, joeyt said: That was rapid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, LiquidAK said: Right?? "Aye wait til we play a good team" Beat Germany, pretty comfortably too. "Aye but.... it was at Wembley... and they're not THAT good......" Just no winning Still think the French will prove a bit too much for us mind They've failed to qualify from their group two World cups in a row, and went out in the first knock out game of the last Euros. I highly doubt there's ever been a German side this bad before like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Their team with Jancker in was worse on paper imo. This one's probably worse in terms of results though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Four favourites comfortably through so far. Some upsets next couple of days wouldn't go amiss. Be amazed if there’s any tomorrow but I’ll be popping a bet on a Morocco & Swiss double for Tues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) Genuinely don't think Germany played that bad in this tournament FWIW nor is the team that terrible. Early 2000s side was definitely worse despite that jammy run in 2002. Just seems to be something mentally not there and tactically stale about them at the moment. And the lack of a proper CF both in terms of available players and system is completely un-German like. Edited December 4, 2022 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Disco said: Be amazed if there’s any tomorrow but I’ll be popping a bet on a Morocco & Swiss double for Tues. I could potentially see Switzerland chinning Portugal on the day if they have a go. I have a feeling they'll set up to contain like they did v Brazil though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just finished watching the game. Congrats to England! I thought Bellingham was really good today and England as a whole played very well. Let's se if the Three Lions can take down an impressive France and Mbappe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Spain went out in group stages 2014 and then last 16 of both Euro 2016 and Russia. But I don't think they had a bad side for any of those tournaments. Just the sense that things has gone stale and teams had figured out how to beat a side that couldn't quite play how they wanted to anymore. This Germany definitely feels similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Genuinely don't think Germany played that bad in this tournament FWIW nor is the team that terrible. Early 2000s side was definitely worse despite that jammy run in 2002. Just seems to be something mentally not there and tactically stale about them at the moment. And the lack of a proper CF both in terms of available players and system is completely un-German like. Can’t help but think they’ve fucked themselves with player development a bit now the older guard has gone and they’re left with a boat load of pressing and technically decent midfielders/wide players but little else as nearly the whole league plays the same type of football. Probably no surprise that their best prospect grew up initially outside their system in Musiala. Regardless, it’s very weird how gasping people are to write off Southgate. I don’t rate him much but it’s agenda central to find an angle to have a pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Genuinely don't think Germany played that bad in this tournament FWIW nor is the team that terrible. Early 2000s side was definitely worse despite that jammy run in 2002. Just seems to be something mentally not there and tactically stale about them at the moment. And the lack of a proper CF both in terms of available players and system is completely un-German like. I didn't mean in terms of quality, because they are one of the best sides in the world there. Just that they've had a horrendous run in the tournaments lately. It stands out so much because it's Germany as well mind, we're so used to them just being a well oiled machine and beating countries with ease, especially after they were so good in Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Disco said: Can’t help but think they’ve fucked themselves with player development a bit now the older guard has gone and they’re left with a boat load of pressing and technically decent midfielders/wide players but little else as nearly the whole league plays the same type of football. Probably no surprise that their best prospect grew up initially outside their system in Musiala. Regardless, it’s very weird how gasping people are to write off Southgate. I don’t rate him much but it’s agenda central to find an angle to have a pop. It's bizarre. We've cruised into the WC QF without breaking sweat and people are still getting stuck into him. There are far better coaches and tacticians out there, but it's like people can't separate that from what he's actually achieved over the last few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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