The Europeometer™ (2023/24)

[duo]

I can see Leicester getting a result against Liverpool.

[duo]

32 minutes ago, Slim said:

He did the right thing.  Was not a pen.

100% pen - I've watched reply 100 times and you cannot tell if it hit his knee.  So original decision should have stood.

[Scotty66]

Fantastic result for us with West Ham winning. 

We have similar games to Man Utd, they have home advantage but we have a 2 point head start plus goal difference. 

 

Liverpool at best have 2 games to get more points than we can get in 4 games,again with similar games. 

 

We're still in a great position!

[gdm]

8 minutes ago, duo said:

100% pen - I've watched reply 100 times and you cannot tell if it hit his knee.  So original decision should have stood.

It clearly hits his knee man

[The Prophet]

Interesting to hear Howe acknowledge Champions League aspirations in his post-match interview for the first time.

[lovejoy]

5 minutes ago, gdm said:

It clearly hits his knee man

You can only see that after it’s slowed down at a certain angle tbf, which I think is the point he’s making. It isn’t a clear and obvious error.

[duo]

Defoe is a terrible pundit 

[Shadow Puppets]

16 minutes ago, duo said:

100% pen - I've watched reply 100 times and you cannot tell if it hit his knee.  So original decision should have stood.

You can quite clearly see, from every angle, that his shorts move as it hits his knee.

[duo]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

You can only see that after it’s slowed down at a certain angle tbf, which I think is the point he’s making. It isn’t a clear and obvious error.

I've yet to see an angle where it is clear

[duo]

2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

You can quite clearly see, from every angle, that his shorts move as it hits his knee.

You cannot man  - it took VAR/Ref 5 mins to try and figure it out.  Not a chance that was a clear and obvious error.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by duo

[Wilson]

2 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

You can only see that after it’s slowed down at a certain angle tbf, which I think is the point he’s making. It isn’t a clear and obvious error.

 

I think it's about time we accepted this isn't the rule for using VAR now.

 

[Shadow Puppets]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

You cannot man  - it took VAR/Ref 5 mins to try and figure it out.  Not a chance that was a clear and obvious error.

 

 

 

If you can’t see it, I don’t know what to tell you.

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Wilson said:

 

I think it's about time we accepted this isn't the rule for using VAR now.

 

It was from Xmas when Webb took over though after initially drifting away from it quickly when first introduced.

[Dr Venkman]

3 minutes ago, Wilson said:

 

I think it's about time we accepted this isn't the rule for using VAR now.

 

More likely we need to acknowledge that ‘clear and obvious’ doesn’t mean ‘clear and obvious in one replay’. Clarity increases with more information and in this case more angles = more information.

[gdm]

The only complaint I have about the penalty incident is the inconsistency. Ref got told by var to go to the screen today whereas the incident this week for Liverpool v Fulham the ref didn’t go have a look and VAR went with the refs first decision when clearly it was wrong. Just a lack of consistency.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by gdm

[duo]

5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

If you can’t see it, I don’t know what to tell you.

Shearer agrees so it's not just me 

 

 

[huss9]

i thnk the manu handball was a much worse decision.

clearly moved his arm towards the ball.

[Conjo]

6 minutes ago, huss9 said:

i thnk the manu handball was a much worse decision.

clearly moved his arm towards the ball.

 

The ball hit Lindelofs hand while it was hugging his body, which isn't a pen, but then his hand bonked the ball into his own face ffs  If he hadn't reacted/flinched when the ball hit his hand the first time it wouldn't have been a pen but how on earth you don't give a pen there is beyond me. Has there been any explanation? I wasn't paying attention but in the Norwegian studio I thought I heard they say the ref had blown the whistle to end the half just as it hit him...?

[Pata]

Getting a penalty for a ball that hits defenders leg is pretty fucking clear and obvious error lads.

[Wilson]

19 minutes ago, LFEE said:

It was from Xmas when Webb took over though after initially drifting away from it quickly when first introduced.

 

I know that's what it's meant to be, it's just not how it gets used. 

 

Love that clip of Shearer going in on them, it's exactly my issue with it. 

 

I like VAR, assuming it's used to correct blatant errors.  I don't agree with it being used for hairline offsides etc

[Conjo]

In my subjective opinion clear and obvious error for offsides should probably be if there's air between the attacker and defender. Like for the famous Isak vs Liverpool goal I don't understand how it is possible even with VAR technology to 100% determine, unless they're filming with with like a 1000fps camera, that the leather on the passers foot touches the ball before Isak is past the Liverpool defender.

[nufcjb]

Going to go all Steve Bruce here and say yesterday wasn't that importnat but what matters most is the accumulation of points,isnt it?

[Away Toon]

4 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Piss take how easy Man Utd and Liverpools run in is like. 

We’ve got Leeds and Leicester who are likely to be relegated and the worst Chelsea team for decades. Brighton are good but we are at home. If we don’t finish 3rd or 4th it will be because we bottled it rather than someone else deserving it.

[Paullow]

I see we are generally down to 1/8 across the board now, still firm favourites, but obviously not as near nailed on as we were this time last week. Man Utd are generally 2/7, so more likely to be pipped if someone was, and they have struggled these past few weeks, have key players out, an FA Cup on their mind (which may come into play later), but I still think they are probably in a better position than us. Like us, they are strong at home, haven't been beaten there since the opening day and have 3 very winnable games at OT that should probably see them over the line. Our fixtures aren't crazy hard, but I see more chance of us slipping up at Leeds and at home to Brighton than they do in their 3 home games. It's still in our hands to get it wrapped up before the final day, but I do kind of think it will go down to the last day now.

 

Without wanting to sound like a doom-monger, and it's genuinely more out of curiosity than pessimism, but apart from the 2.8 or so million, is there any difference in finishing 5th or 6th in terms of European schedule? Obviously both are Europa League this season the way the cups have worked out, but would 6th involve an extra tie?

[duo]

1 hour ago, Pata said:

Getting a penalty for a ball that hits defenders leg is pretty fucking clear and obvious error lads.

I stand by that you can't say for sure it's hit his leg.  That's just your option.