joeyt Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 It will have been mentioned so apologies if going over old ground but is there any difference for us finishing 3rd rather than 4th? Better seeding or less qualifying or anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: It will have been mentioned so apologies if going over old ground but is there any difference for us finishing 3rd rather than 4th? Better seeding or less qualifying or anything? No I think that comes down to UEFA coefficient rating and given our recent lack of European involvement we’ll be in pot 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, joeyt said: It will have been mentioned so apologies if going over old ground but is there any difference for us finishing 3rd rather than 4th? Better seeding or less qualifying or anything? Both spots go into the group stages, we'll be seeded bottom just due to having not been in Europe for so long and our coefficient being so low, so the only real difference between the spots is about £2.5m in prize money. Edited May 21, 2023 by 54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Shows how little I've been paying attention to CL qualifying in recent years, assumed we'd have to go through a Partizan Belgrade style qualifier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, 54 said: Both spots go into the group stages, we'll be seeded bottom just due to having not been in Europe for so long and our coefficient being so low, so the only real difference between the spots is about £2.5m in prize money. And the joy of finishing above Man Utd for the first time in our PL history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, joeyt said: Shows how little I've been paying attention to CL qualifying in recent years, assumed we'd have to go through a Partizan Belgrade style qualifier it changes next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Brighton GD is far superior so unlikely Villa go above them Spurs need to win and hope Villa lose to get a Europa Conference League spot, Spurs have no chance for Europa League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I wonder how they’re going to work out the draw for the 8 matches in the 36 team league. I’d assume top seeds face only the lower seeds so they are guaranteed a last 16 spot. I just don’t see that making the competition more enjoyable for anybody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) I guess it's another 'podium' finish as well, and, especially if we don't push on quite as much as expected, it will look nice looking back on things like Football Manager and viewing the past winners and seeing our name (at least in the mix) again after 20 years, because it doesn't happen often outside of the obvious 6, but these of course are all minuscule things, in reality there's not much difference between finishing 3rd to 4th, but 4th to 5th is absolutely huge. I'd probably even take a point tomorrow night if offered just to get it over the line, and then we could do want we want against Chelsea, even if that did sacrifice a 3rd place finish. Edited May 21, 2023 by Paullow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazzie Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I wonder how they’re going to work out the draw for the 8 matches in the 36 team league. I’d assume top seeds face only the lower seeds so they are guaranteed a last 16 spot. I just don’t see that making the competition more enjoyable for anybody I read some where it'll be very similar to the current pots that they draw the groups from, but the rule that means clubs of the same country can't play each other will be scrapped. FROM ESPN :- How will they decide the fixtures? UEFA is expected to create four pots of nine teams, almost certainly based upon the five-year club coefficient. Each team will play two teams from each pot (one home, one away) to create an eight-match fixture list of roughly equal strength. More "big matches" are created by the teams in the top pots being drawn against each other, which wasn't possible under the current system. For instance, the teams in Pot 1 would draw two other clubs from Pot 1, 2, 3 and 4. Teams from the same association still cannot play each other in the group stage. This is how the seeding pots would look, based on a 36-team Champions League intake using the new system and last season's final league tables. Pot 1: Chelsea, Villarreal, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, Lille, Sporting CP, Real Madrid Pot 2: Barcelona, Juventus, Manchester United, Paris Saint-Germain, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund, FC Porto, Ajax Pot 3: Shakhtar Donetsk, Lyon, RB Leipzig, FC Salzburg, Benfica, Atalanta, Zenit St Petersburg, Besiktas, Dynamo Kyiv Pot 4: Dinamo Zagreb, Club Brugge, Young Boys, Leicester City, AC Milan, Real Sociedad, Malmo, VfL Wolfsburg, Sheriff Tiraspol So, Premier League champions Manchester City could have a "Swiss Model" fixture list of: Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Benfica, FC Salzburg, Young Boys, Sheriff Tiraspol. Edited May 21, 2023 by Kazzie additional info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I wonder how they’re going to work out the draw for the 8 matches in the 36 team league. I’d assume top seeds face only the lower seeds so they are guaranteed a last 16 spot. I just don’t see that making the competition more enjoyable for anybody It’s about the money not the entertainment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) Groups of four, top two go through, worst four runners up have a play-off - Euro 96 Qualifying style - would be infinitely better but alas would miss out on the filler content and cash, so that's a no go obviously. Edited May 21, 2023 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 UEFA caving in then by creating a modified version of the ESL which will benefit the so called elite teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I wonder how they’re going to work out the draw for the 8 matches in the 36 team league. I’d assume top seeds face only the lower seeds so they are guaranteed a last 16 spot. I just don’t see that making the competition more enjoyable for anybody UEFA is expected to create four pots of nine teams, almost certainly based upon the five-year club coefficient. Each team will play two teams from each pot (one home, one away) to create an eight-match fixture list of roughly equal strength. More "big matches" are created by the teams in the top pots being drawn against each other, which wasn't possible under the current system. For instance, the teams in Pot 1 would draw two other clubs from Pot 1, 2, 3 and 4. Teams from the same association still cannot play each other in the group stage. This is how the seeding pots would look, based on a 36-team Champions League intake using the new system and last season's final league tables. Pot 1: Chelsea, Villarreal, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, Lille, Sporting CP, Real Madrid Pot 2: Barcelona, Juventus, Manchester United, Paris Saint-Germain, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund, FC Porto, Ajax Pot 3: Shakhtar Donetsk, Lyon, RB Leipzig, FC Salzburg, Benfica, Atalanta, Zenit St Petersburg, Besiktas, Dynamo Kyiv Pot 4: Dinamo Zagreb, Club Brugge, Young Boys, Leicester City, AC Milan, Real Sociedad, Malmo, VfL Wolfsburg, Sheriff Tiraspol So, Premier League champions Manchester City could have a "Swiss Model" fixture list of: Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Benfica, FC Salzburg, Young Boys, Sheriff Tiraspol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 That’s such a dumb format. The only positive is you get to play 8 teams you wouldn’t normally play instead of 3. But qualifying for the CL just to play Arsenal and losing the home/away aspect is far less enjoyable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, 54 said: UEFA is expected to create four pots of nine teams, almost certainly based upon the five-year club coefficient. Each team will play two teams from each pot (one home, one away) to create an eight-match fixture list of roughly equal strength. More "big matches" are created by the teams in the top pots being drawn against each other, which wasn't possible under the current system. For instance, the teams in Pot 1 would draw two other clubs from Pot 1, 2, 3 and 4. Teams from the same association still cannot play each other in the group stage. This is how the seeding pots would look, based on a 36-team Champions League intake using the new system and last season's final league tables. Pot 1: Chelsea, Villarreal, Atletico Madrid, Manchester City, Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, Lille, Sporting CP, Real Madrid Pot 2: Barcelona, Juventus, Manchester United, Paris Saint-Germain, Liverpool, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund, FC Porto, Ajax Pot 3: Shakhtar Donetsk, Lyon, RB Leipzig, FC Salzburg, Benfica, Atalanta, Zenit St Petersburg, Besiktas, Dynamo Kyiv Pot 4: Dinamo Zagreb, Club Brugge, Young Boys, Leicester City, AC Milan, Real Sociedad, Malmo, VfL Wolfsburg, Sheriff Tiraspol So, Premier League champions Manchester City could have a "Swiss Model" fixture list of: Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Benfica, FC Salzburg, Young Boys, Sheriff Tiraspol. That’s actually more equitable than I assumed it would be. And not playing same country is a plus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 It’s just adding extra games to the season for no reason whatsoever. And if you finish in the playoff positions, that gives you an extra two matches just to make the last 16. That’s what, 17 games to win the competition if you finish 9th in the league - crazy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 That format actually seems more like UEFA caving to broadcasters, not the Super League concept. I assumed Pot 1 clubs would have a competitive advantage. But this is more about creating marquee games and extra knockouts, which UEFA will use to increase rights deals. The rich are going to get richer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: That format actually seems more like UEFA caving to broadcasters, not the Super League concept. I assumed Pot 1 clubs would have a competitive advantage. But this is more about creating marquee games and extra knockouts, which UEFA will use to increase rights deals. The rich are going to get richer. So you are saying we'll be even richer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: So you are saying we'll be even richer? I think we have a little ways to go to cement ourselves in the top 4/5. But hopefully yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) Not a fan of this Manc, however it’s interesting what he has to say. Edited May 21, 2023 by FloydianMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Not a fan of this Manc, however it’s interesting what he has to say. all aboard the joyride! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Decky said: It isn't just RAWK. I live in Ireland where every other person is a Liverpool fan and trust me they're a lot worse in person. Worse for you because you're close mates with the most idiotic Liverpool fan in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Having lived and worked in Liverpool for a short period, Liverpool fans are unbearable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 If we can beat Spurs, I reckon we'll do it If we go to Everton and win, I reckon we'll do it Southampton at home could be a banana skin If we beat Brighton, we'll do it If Liverpool drop points, we'll finish top four Seeing as I keep moving the goalposts in my head, tonight could finally be the night I say "Yes, we're going to do it". Still bricking it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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