The Europeometer™ (2024/25) - NUFC Qualify for Conference League (at least)

[ExiledGeordie]

4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Forest are the key here? Fail to win at West Ham today, beat Chelsea last day, we're in?

Yeah they could bail us out but I’d just like to see us get it done far more straightforwardly rather than desperately checking other results 😂

[Pokerprince2004]

I didn't realise Forest had fallen away so far actually. If they lose today then they are guaranteed to finish 7th - no higher or lower. 

[The College Dropout]

38 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Palace in the Europa League will be a good test of the theory that Premier League teams are going to dominate that competition by default. A lower/mid-table team with a mixed squad and literally zero European history or pedigree. If they end up in the final then it really is curtains for the rest of Europe at that level.

Experience will be a factor. It looks like next years Europa will have stronger teams too. 
 

The bigger factor is the lack of relegation threats a team like Palace now has. And squad size. And which ends up being a bigger factor. 

[STM]

 

Some day, one day, I will understand all the permutations.

 

It's like working out how the Egyptians built the pyramids.

[The College Dropout]

Playing football games growing up makes it a lot easier to understand some of these rules.  
 

I didn’t know so many PL fans didn’t know Cup winners get European spots and the permutations. 

[Yorkie]

I used to be very clear on all the routes in but it feels like there's been about a hundred different permutations this year. Being absolutely certain of a second place finish for weeks has left me fairly non-plussed though. 

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Experience will be a factor. It looks like next years Europa will have stronger teams too. 
 

The bigger factor is the lack of relegation threats a team like Palace now has. And squad size. And which ends up being a bigger factor. 

 

Aye, 10 years ago you'd worry about them staying up maybe. They can give the Europa League a proper go safe in the knowledge they'll not go down. Think Quarter Finals of the Europa League should be par these days for any Premier League team. 

[STM]

17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Playing football games growing up makes it a lot easier to understand some of these rules.  
 

I didn’t know so many PL fans didn’t know Cup winners get European spots and the permutations. 

 

If you are referring to me, i was just being silly. I could easily work out what's what but I can't be arsed because it's boring as fuck.

 

Beat Arsenal = CL

 

[geordie_b]

Need Forest to draw today (them winning is better than them losing probably too)

[James]

Looking at Everton pre-match today, next week will be a bit anti-climatic for them won’t it?

[The College Dropout]

34 minutes ago, STM said:

 

If you are referring to me, i was just being silly. I could easily work out what's what but I can't be arsed because it's boring as fuck.

 

Beat Arsenal = CL

 

I wasn’t at anyone specific.  

 

47 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Aye, 10 years ago you'd worry about them staying up maybe. They can give the Europa League a proper go safe in the knowledge they'll not go down. Think Quarter Finals of the Europa League should be par these days for any Premier League team. 

Yep. I don’t think the Man U/Spurs model of crashing the league is ideal either which is why I think squad size will also be an issue. 
 

They can crash the league and FA Cup. But they still need a bigger squad. Momentum is good for Europe imo. Yo some degree anyway. 

[huss9]

30 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

Need Forest to draw today (them winning is better than them losing probably too)

a draw is perfect,

then go all to beat chelsea last day.

 

ps. just looked - it would still take a hell of a GD swing for them to get ahead of chelsea.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by huss9

[geordie_b]

5 minutes ago, huss9 said:

a draw is perfect,

then go all to beat chelsea last day.

 

ps. just looked - it would still take a hell of a GD swing for them to get ahead of chelsea.

 

'Just' a 4-0 forest win

[Novocastrian]

It’s a shame it has to come down to the final day as I reckon 67 points will be enough with Forest dropping points today and either Chelsea or Villa dropping points in the last game. Probably an uncomfortable 90 mins against Everton unless we grab a couple of early goals.

[SteV]

26 minutes ago, James said:

Looking at Everton pre-match today, next week will be a bit anti-climatic for them won’t it?

100%. It’s why I’ve been very comfortable with that as our last game for a while.

[Paullow]

7 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

 

'Just' a 4-0 forest win

5-0 due to goals scored, so that's extremely unlikely, but they would know that if they win Man Utd could maybe surprise a few folk on their final home match of the season with Villa, whereas if they lose they are guaranteed 7th.

 

A draw would definitely be best from our perspective, but I'd still rather they lost than won today to at least guarantee a top 6 finish and Europa.

[midds]

Can't deny I'd be a bit disappointed if we fell out of the CL places at this stage, really, really want that CL football assured asap.

 

However, the absolute worst case scenario for the end is looking like a major trophy and a place in the EL next year. That scenario still represents the best season's achievement I've ever known - the worst that can happen is still the best I've ever known. That's quite a large and shiny silver lining imo  

[Paullow]

4 minutes ago, midds said:

Can't deny I'd be a bit disappointed if we fell out of the CL places at this stage, really, really want that CL football assured asap.

 

However, the absolute worst case scenario for the end is looking like a major trophy and a place in the EL next year. That scenario still represents the best season's achievement I've ever known - the worst that can happen is still the best I've ever known. That's quite a large and shiny silver lining imo  

 

Worst case scenario is still 7th and conference, which would still be a memorable season given the cup win, but it would feel like a damp squib knowing that 2nd place was still up for grabs 7 days before the end of the season.

[Jesse Pinkman]

22 minutes ago, midds said:

Can't deny I'd be a bit disappointed if we fell out of the CL places at this stage, really, really want that CL football assured asap.

 

However, the absolute worst case scenario for the end is looking like a major trophy and a place in the EL next year. That scenario still represents the best season's achievement I've ever known - the worst that can happen is still the best I've ever known. That's quite a large and shiny silver lining imo  

It would be amazing even if we got EL but it would slightly sour it as I get the feeling some big clubs will start to come sniffing and turn the head of a few of our players (even if we don’t end up selling them). Further, 6 other teams with CL will now have an advantage over us in FFP. 
 

For the sake of 3 points it will make the whole of next season a lot more difficult to compete. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Jesse Pinkman

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, geordie_b said:

Need Forest to draw today (them winning is better than them losing probably too)

Agree a draw is better than a loss but not that a win is better than a loss!

They lose today and that means Forest win last day and we’re good even if we lose both games (unless we get battered)

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Superior Acuña

[Paullow]

5 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Agree a draw is better than a loss but not that a win is better than a loss!

They lose today and that means Forest win last day and we’re good even if we lose both games (unless we get battered)

 

 

 

 

I agree that a Forest loss is better than a win, as it would guarantee top 6, but there is also the perspective that if Forest won today they would be more motivated on the final day with something concrete to play for (vs Chelsea), whereas if they lose today they are guaranteed 7th and Conference no matter what, so may give some kids a run out. If they win today and draw Chelsea on the final day then we'd still have a chance of top 5 if we only gained one point from the final 2 matches.

 

Draw is definitely the best outcome though.

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Playing football games growing up makes it a lot easier to understand some of these rules.  
 

I didn’t know so many PL fans didn’t know Cup winners get European spots and the permutations. 
 

You mean, like, on a game console?

[The Prophet]

Couldn't give a flying fuck what Forest do tbh. Just need our boys to win one more.

[duo]

16 hours ago, Erikse said:

So this means Fulham and Bournemouth doesn't have anything to play for anymore? Absolutely genious move by Pep.

 

Edit: Unless Chelsea win Conference..?

 

 

 

Which they will

[Gawalls]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Couldn't give a flying fuck what Forest do tbh. Just need our boys to win one more.

Everybody knows we’re need one more win, the reason why people give a fuck on other results as those two fixtures aren’t easy ago not there yet. Arsenal will not give that second place up without a fight today and will be well up for it.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Gawalls