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19 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

It's a nice thought but a player who can go to Liverpool and double their money is going to do that. 

Yep.

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I think he’s our best wide player by a distance, just his inconsistency costs him. But that’s also down to the way the team plays to some extent. 
 

I’m fairly certain he leaves this summer as it would be a good to get the best fee for him.
 

My worry with all these supposed sales is that we end of wasting the £200m that we will get from a Gordon, Tino and Tonali sale. You can’t make £350m in player sales in 18 months and not kick on

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5 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

My worry with all these supposed sales is that we end of wasting the £200m that we will get from a Gordon, Tino and Tonali sale. You can’t make £350m in player sales in 18 months and not kick on

 

If they blow it then the club deserves whatever it gets, that's the way the game works.

 

Can't just stand still and not do anything out of fear of what might happen.

 

Meanwhile clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth have sold their best players and showed Newcastle up this season.

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He has been very up and down, but fuck me sell him and we have just trash up front left bar Barnes :lol:. We will miss him..

 

 

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9 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

I think he’s our best wide player by a distance, just his inconsistency costs him. But that’s also down to the way the team plays to some extent. 
 

I’m fairly certain he leaves this summer as it would be a good to get the best fee for him.
 

My worry with all these supposed sales is that we end of wasting the £200m that we will get from a Gordon, Tino and Tonali sale. You can’t make £350m in player sales in 18 months and not kick on

 

It does also seem be down to him not really trying that hard when he's not in the shop window, to some extent.

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5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

If they blow it then the club deserves whatever it gets, that's the way the game works.

 

Can't just stand still and not do anything out of fear of what might happen.

 

Meanwhile clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth have sold their best players and showed Newcastle up this season.

These are mid table teams continuing to be mid table.  
 

Talk about CL teams that get raided.  They fall back a level. 

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

Most teams get worse when they sell their best players.  I don’t k ow why people think otherwise 

 

Villa have done a pretty good job of moving on and up, Liverpool too over the years... Brentford, Brighton, Crystal Palace...

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If we don't absolutely nail this next window, it's gonna set us back. I don't know how to approach it. If we lose 3 purples, cut our losses either Wissa or Nick, that's a lot to replace before we even add anything to improve the first team. Grim

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43 minutes ago, Heron said:

Had the same goals and assists as Gordon last season.

 

I don't think Gordon has shown enough to prove he is the first name on the sheet in his chosen position tbh.

 

Gordon's one of our best players, regardless of what people think of him. The market always tells the real story, and that's why he's in demand. 

 

Jacob Murphy is a perennial mid team player. No one wanted to pay good money for him regardless of his one season wonder form. He's just not a good footballer, and he's not got a winner's attitude. Hence Thiaw having to shout at him to get over to the referee to protest the penalty decision. 

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12 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Gordon's one of our best players, regardless of what people think of him. The market always tells the real story, and that's why he's in demand. 

 

Jacob Murphy is a perennial mid team player. No one wanted to pay good money for him regardless of his one season wonder form. He's just not a good footballer, and he's not got a winner's attitude. Hence Thiaw having to shout at him to get over to the referee to protest the penalty decision. 

He's got more technical ability than Gordon, I'd argue. He can shoot, pass and cross. That's not to say he's a more effective player mind.

 

He isn't as good on the ball, and doesn't have a winners attitude, but he does have a team attitude and does work for the team, not himself.

 

You say the market doesn't lie, but when you see Elanga as an example, Wissa as an example, and many, many others out there, I think it does. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and many will think they can get a better tune out of Gordon, and be willing to pay a significant sum, as Howe did (pay) and already has done (got a better tune) since Gordon's Everton days.

 

Gordon will be successful at Bayern imo, but he won't be any more successful in the PL than he has been here, unless he changes his attitude.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Heron said:

Gordon will be successful at Bayern imo, but he won't be any more successful in the PL than he has been here, unless he changes his attitude.

 

He'll do well in Germany for the same reason he's done well in Europe this season - He'll be up against much worse defenders.  With poor fullbacks to beat and Kane to aim for in the middle he'll tear up the league.

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20 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Villa have done a pretty good job of moving on and up, Liverpool too over the years... Brentford, Brighton, Crystal Palace...

Villa have sold players on their own terms.  
 

Since Emery has joined they only star players sold have been Douglas Luiz and Duran.  1 was always going to implode and the other was effectively replaced. 

 

Under Klopp Liverpool only sold Coutinho against their will. Salah, Trent, VVD, Mane all stayed as long as Liverpool wanted. 
 

Palace, Brighton and Brentford are all midtable teams staying midtable. 
 

Now let’s look at Dortmund. Back to back Bundesliga - sold their best players - never won it again. Leicester - champions to European contenders to relegation. 
 

We’ve already sold Isak. Losing Tino, Sandro and Gordon in one summer would be so difficult to replace effectively.  And the people tasked with replacing them are unproven. 

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27 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

If we don't absolutely nail this next window, it's gonna set us back. I don't know how to approach it. If we lose 3 purples, cut our losses either Wissa or Nick, that's a lot to replace before we even add anything to improve the first team. Grim

 

We can't possibly lose 3 purples. I think 1. 

 

The one I would sell would probably be Tino but noises are obviously for Gordon.

 

 

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Of course he think he thinks he's out grown us. It couldn't have been more obvious. You could just look at the fixture list and pick out what games he would and wouldn't put effort in for :lol:

 

 

 

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Cant be arsed to read the 7 new pages about this, but if he wants out get shot. We need to build a more balanced squad and if selling him and another big players we can do that, see ya.

 

Anyone (not including Hall, Miley and Bruno here) who doesn't want to be here can fuck off for me after this seasons pile of shite in the league.

 

We need a rebuild, its as simple as that. 

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31 minutes ago, Heron said:

He's got more technical ability than Gordon, I'd argue. He can shoot, pass and cross. That's not to say he's a more effective player mind.

 

He isn't as good on the ball, and doesn't have a winners attitude, but he does have a team attitude and does work for the team, not himself.

 

You say the market doesn't lie, but when you see Elanga as an example, Wissa as an example, and many, many others out there, I think it does. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and many will think they can get a better tune out of Gordon, and be willing to pay a significant sum, as Howe did (pay) and already has done (got a better tune) since Gordon's Everton days.

 

Gordon will be successful at Bayern imo, but he won't be any more successful in the PL than he has been here, unless he changes his attitude.

 

 

 

 

His technical ability is that he can strike a good ball, that's it. He can't carry it effectively, he hasn't got the pace to beat a man, so what he brings is a great cross if he's allowed space, and an attitude of happy to be here with no ambition. He was wearing the captain's armband against Palace and getting a rollicking from Thiaw for not standing up for his players. He's a great lad, but there are loads of them throughout football in the lower levels. 

 

Gordon is a cunt, but like Isak, he's a winning cunt. That's why teams want them. 

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4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

His technical ability is that he can strike a good ball, that's it. He can't carry it effectively, he hasn't got the pace to beat a man, so what he brings is a great cross if he's allowed space, and an attitude of happy to be here with no ambition. He was wearing the captain's armband against Palace and getting a rollicking from Thiaw for not standing up for his players. He's a great lad, but there are loads of them throughout football in the lower levels. 

 

Gordon is a cunt, but like Isak, he's a winning cunt. That's why teams want them. 

Murphys crossing of the ball is second to very few in the Premier League. That has been evidenced across the past two seasons (less so this).

 

His carrying of the ball is poor I agree.

 

However, Gordon cannot pass, cross or shoot better than Murphy.

 

It's all well and good having a winners mentality, but if you don't have the quality (or rather - don't evidence the quality) then it just makes you look like an arrogant bell end.

 

 

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1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

Barnes was actually playing well on the right when he was moved there, but people were still kicking off, and he actually fell out of form once he was then moved back to the left when Gordon went upfront.

 

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What I was trying to say :coloccini:.

 

First couple of games on the right were slow but then he kicked on nicely. The point was each time Barnes found some form in a position he was moved to fit in AG somewhere

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IMO all signs point to Livramento leaving, the only question is whether we look to sell another on top of that. I find it hard to imagine us losing any more than 2 first XI players for a number of reasons. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, KaKa said:

Not sure why people are getting so worked up.

 

The guy is now looking to leave, like so many of you wanted, and is going to get a decent fee.

 

Time for both sides to move on. Team needs a big refresh anyway, as it's all gone a bit stale.

 

Would ship out Tonali and Tino too. The money brought in from all three could do a ton of good for the squad on the whole.

 

I'd do this too and I don't have the disdain many have had for Gordon since he arrived. Overall, Gordon's contributions have helped us grow the club and we'll make a good sum for his sale. If we go full rebuild, not having Europe gives Howe (assuming he's still here) a year to bed in new players and hopefully adjust his systems to get us playing better consistently. 

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12 minutes ago, Heron said:

Murphys crossing of the ball is second to very few in the Premier League. That has been evidenced across the past two seasons (less so this).

 

His carrying of the ball is poor I agree.

 

However, Gordon cannot pass, cross or shoot better than Murphy.

 

It's all well and good having a winners mentality, but if you don't have the quality (or rather - don't evidence the quality) then it just makes you look like an arrogant bell end.

 

 

 

 

Gordon's not exactly Lamine Yamal, but he will give you pace, some goals and win you some pens. To get better, you really have to spend a lot of money, or have very good scouts. Otherwise you end up blowing your wad on Anthony Elanga and wondering where the money went. 

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4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Gordon's not exactly Lamine Yamal, but he will give you pace, some goals and win you some pens. To get better, you really have to spend a lot of money, or have very good scouts. Otherwise you end up blowing your wad on Anthony Elanga and wondering where the money went. 

 

I don't entirely disagree, but Gordon just went like a year without a goal or assist, his return without penalties is totally rubbish.

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