Heron Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, TotalWar said: I have a feeling that it may be very difficult for members to get tickets for cup competitions and especially finals from now on, owing to what has happened regarding some season ticket holders not getting cup final tickets this time. I imagine most season ticket holders will buy tickets for all rounds of all cups from now on even if they cant go. At £20 a time its worth it to guarantee a cup final ticket. This will mean fewer for members and likewise non members. Yep and more people using more people's tickets, thus making it an entirely closed shop for newer match going fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, TotalWar said: I have a feeling that it may be very difficult for members to get tickets for cup competitions and especially finals from now on, owing to what has happened regarding some season ticket holders not getting cup final tickets this time. I imagine most season ticket holders will buy tickets for all rounds of all cups from now on even if they cant go. At £20 a time its worth it to guarantee a cup final ticket. This will mean fewer for members and likewise non members. Yep, that's exactly what I will be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Toon1 said: P6 and was successful didn’t think I stood a chance! Not heard anything from my P6 application, so presume unsuccessful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Heron said: Because attending games home or away is a form of loyalty, and financially for the club, he has probably given more. Likewise he'd have attended more games, historically. If points were weighted as above they'd likely have more than him anyway through accumulation of season tickets, cup tickets and away tickets anyway. Just means he's higher up the pecking order than someone who's turned up now we're good. Also, my proposal means people.lolr myself who boycotted under Ashkey wouldn't lose approximately 80 loyalty points for standing up for their club, or if people couldn't afford it for a few years owing to personal circumstances, etc. What we're saying is you're only loyal if you've been going recently, which isn't right to me. I’m not saying your dad isn’t loyal. What I’m saying is that your dad or someone like him may not have attended an away match for years, yet someone who has been to every away game this season or even the last few seasons could lose out to someone who’s not been to one for years. Whatever happens though, someone will lose out. On the flip side you’ll have half a stadium full of Man Utd fans who aren’t particularly arsed about this competition all attending. They have also been able to buy corporate tickets for half the price of the Newcastle alternative ones. A nigh on 90,000 seater stadium, and one finalist who has no more than 35k season tickets holders can’t all attend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Bit off topic but I hate how the points system is referred to as 'loyalty' points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 9 hours ago, SteV said: When you say ‘senior’, do you mean adult or OAP? As if it’s OAP, that’s a concession just the same as a junior. So would assume going through the turnstile (if it’s like SJP) it would just flash the same colour for all types of concessions? Even if he was unlucky enough to be randomly checked, I reckon as long as you knew the name and address that the ticket was registered to, it would probably be fine. Yeah it's an over 65 concession or whatever it's called, plus he's going in with the actually ticket buyer/holder so I can't see an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: I’m not saying your dad isn’t loyal. What I’m saying is that your dad or someone like him may not have attended an away match for years, yet someone who has been to every away game this season or even the last few seasons could lose out to someone who’s not been to one for years. Whatever happens though, someone will lose out. On the flip side you’ll have half a stadium full of Man Utd fans who aren’t particularly arsed about this competition all attending. They have also been able to buy corporate tickets for half the price of the Newcastle alternative ones. A nigh on 90,000 seater stadium, and one finalist who has no more than 35k season tickets holders can’t all attend. No, I know you're not mate, but the point I am making is how is buying a season ticket for say 50 years less loyal than someone who has attended home and away for one season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Some of these away fans lived charmed lives mind. Leave the wives and kids at home every other weekend to go on the piss with the lads to every far flung corner of the land, then when cup tickets come around talk about the great "sacrifices" they have made. Poor little cocks should be getting the George's cross. Said the other day that there is a million nuances to everyone's individual stories. There's guys on this forum who live in foreign fields who have never had the chance to build up any sort of loyalty but they live and breath Newcastle in their own way and there's season ticket holders who no longer even attend, who just buy their ticket each year as a matter of habit. It's all over the place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Stifler said: Whatever happens though, someone will lose out. I don't understand the constant use of this line. Of course somebody will lose out. The point is that, in this case, a section of those that have lost out have done so unnecessarily and unfairly. It's not 'whatever happens', it's 'whatever did happen in this specific case'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Hovagod said: I don't understand the constant use of this line. Of course somebody will lose out. The point is that, in this case, a section of those that have lost out have done so unnecessarily and unfairly. It's not 'whatever happens', it's 'whatever did happen in this specific case'. As I’ve said before though. I think there are rules which state that you can’t just sell the tickets to season ticket holders and a certain amount/percentage has to go non-season ticket holders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Stifler said: As I’ve said before though. I think there are rules which state that you can’t just sell the tickets to season ticket holders and a certain amount/percentage has to go non-season ticket holders. In cup finals? Never, ever heard this before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Heron said: It's a bitter pill for me to swallow and it could have been more bitter for me (and more difficult for me to swallow), but with this Ashley debacle I've lost all my 80 or so loyalty points, but at the age of 33, I have been a match going fan for 26 years of my life and a season ticket holder for 19 years. Now I'm the same as a mate of mine who's maybe been to 30 games in total and only just got a season ticket... It's shite. That is shite. I jacked it in under Ashley, couldn’t get a ST in the summer, like thousands of others. I’ve been to every league and cup game this season, and I’m hoping embers like me will be at the top of any new waiting list for season tickets. If they release any more in the summer, they need to weight it like they have with the cup final tickets. As there’ll be some members with 19 league games against members with 1 game vying for a ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheGuv said: That is shite. I jacked it in under Ashley, couldn’t get a ST in the summer, like thousands of others. I’ve been to every league and cup game this season, and I’m hoping embers like me will be at the top of any new waiting list for season tickets. If they release any more in the summer, they need to weight it like they have with the cup final tickets. As there’ll be some members with 19 league games against members with 1 game vying for a ST. You absolutely should be, in my opinion of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheGuv said: That is shite. I jacked it in under Ashley, couldn’t get a ST in the summer, like thousands of others. I’ve been to every league and cup game this season, and I’m hoping embers like me will be at the top of any new waiting list for season tickets. If they release any more in the summer, they need to weight it like they have with the cup final tickets. As there’ll be some members with 19 league games against members with 1 game vying for a ST. Likewise. Worst thing is I remember watching that West Ham game under Bruce and thinking “I should be there” and being very close to buying an ST, after originally giving it up. Gutted. It is what it is and all that. I think the way some season ticket holders look down their nose at members is embarrassing, and in fairness vice versa. We are one fanbase and should be United instead of squabbling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, STM said: Some of these away fans lived charmed lives mind. Leave the wives and kids at home every other weekend to go on the piss with the lads to every far flung corner of the land, then when cup tickets come around talk about the great "sacrifices" they have made. Poor little cocks should be getting the George's cross. Said the other day that there is a million nuances to everyone's individual stories. There's guys on this forum who live in foreign fields who have never had the chance to build up any sort of loyalty but they live and breath Newcastle in their own way and there's season ticket holders who no longer even attend, who just buy their ticket each year as a matter of habit. It's all over the place. Aye There's plenty who go to away games who don't even like football that much too. It's basically a weekend on the gear and drink and the game is the least important part of it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Aye There's plenty who go to away games who don't even like football that much too. It's basically a weekend on the gear and drink and the game is the least important part of it all. Half the people I know that go to away games go for the gear and to get away from their families. Edited February 15, 2023 by RodneyCisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Is gear a catch-all term for drugs these days or has to switched to cocaine? As I always thought of it as being heroin. When I went to Brighton away earlier in the season the lad on my left was clearly high as fuck, was really annoying being next to a complete idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: Is gear a catch-all term for drugs these days or has to switched to cocaine? As I always thought of it as being heroin. When I went to Brighton away earlier in the season the lad on my left was clearly high as fuck, was really annoying being next to a complete idiot Defo cocaine. Was like an avalanche on the bus I went to Burnley on in May. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 It's being treated as a status thing between the haves and have nots. Amazed by the amount of mums(or dads ) on Facebook willing to brag about their kid/husband going to Wembley, to impress their facebook friends. Just wait until final weekend, when they are all posting their kids at Wembley, when two weeks ago they were probably turning the TV over during match of the day saying they were sick of the footy. Im talking about my wife here aren't I? I'm lucky enough to go but I won't look down my nose at anyone in here, who are equally as big as fans as me and who are equally as deserving of a ticket. All I will say is that I will sing my heart out for you lot. Had a couple of people in PMs offering me away tickets (because they saw how gutted I was when it looked as though I wasn't going to the final) and the generosity of people in here is unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 39 minutes ago, Hovagod said: I don't understand the constant use of this line. Of course somebody will lose out. The point is that, in this case, a section of those that have lost out have done so unnecessarily and unfairly. It's not 'whatever happens', it's 'whatever did happen in this specific case'. Just playing devils advocate here but what’s fair to you might be unfair to someone else. For example you could argue that it’s a specific competition and someone who’s been to every game of the competition would find it unfair to lose out on a final ticket to someone who couldn’t be bothered going to the cup games until the final. That’s where it’s complicated things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 This is the problem that comes with demand outstripping supply. Some people don’t get what they want. I binned my ST off under Ashley and lost my loyalty points. If I thought there was something the club could do to fix this situation I’d be booting off but ultimately there’s no easy solution. I didn’t get a final ticket, but I think approach was as fair as could be in the circumstances. An effort was made to give ‘loyal’ fans (by all conventional markers such as points, ST holding etc) first dibs and then some tickets we left to spread around the rest of the fanbase. Appreciate people who were in P4 and didn’t get one are pissed off that people in P6 did, but it’s not like you weren’t warned it was a ballot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Likewise. Worst thing is I remember watching that West Ham game under Bruce and thinking “I should be there” and being very close to buying an ST, after originally giving it up. Gutted. It is what it is and all that. I think the way some season ticket holders look down their nose at members is embarrassing, and in fairness vice versa. We are one fanbase and should be United instead of squabbling. Gave up my ST after donkey's years when Bruce was appointed. That was the clear line in the sand for many thousands. So it was disappointing that the club's recognition of those who had ditched their STs (by allocating some last summer to former ST holders) only applied to those who'd done it in 2019 or later. It's seriously galling that folk who took up Ashley's freebie ST offer in 2019-20 will be at Wembley rather than me. But it's worse still when some "soopafans" on Twitter tell you that you deserve no better because of a lack of "loyalty"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCDoog Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Is this game back in anyone's history or tickets on the website yet who got one in p1-p3 last week? Mine stil isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Im sure the club will have an in-depth look in to a more improved and ‘fairer’ way for the future. This final has came at them fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, magorific said: Gave up my ST after donkey's years when Bruce was appointed. That was the clear line in the sand for many thousands. So it was disappointing that the club's recognition of those who had ditched their STs (by allocating some last summer to former ST holders) only applied to those who'd done it in 2019 or later. It's seriously galling that folk who took up Ashley's freebie ST offer in 2019-20 will be at Wembley rather than me. But it's worse still when some "soopafans" on Twitter tell you that you deserve no better because of a lack of "loyalty"... Aye I don’t blame you for feeling annoyed. As I said, I also gave mine up and in hindsight I’m gutted I did, but I knew the risks. I’ve seen some horrendous takes on Twitter. People are hurting that they missed out when they thought because they have a season ticket they would be certain to get a cup final ticket and they’re taking it out on people who don’t deserve to be mocked or be looked down on. Hopefully the period of anger is over soon and people accept that they didn’t get a ticket and start looking forward to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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