Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Groundhog63]

29 minutes ago, gdm said:

That is true but the gap was manageable. Newcastle were up there and spending similar amounts. In todays game the gap is getting bigger and bigger because like it or not Man City & Newcastle are owned by countries 

We were spending similar amounts, in the end, by buying players from loans based on future season ticket sales etc. 

We're we not upto our eyes in debt when Hall dumped the lot while Shepherd was in hospital? 

Neither coughed up anything other than their initial investment in shares? 

[mighty__mag]

9 minutes ago, STM said:

This would be the perfect time for Newcastle to file their own law suit on the basis of anti-competition. 

 

Noooo, let them go through hell, then start a fresh case against them again with all the findings from the predecessor. 

 

Actually, I hope City find some success here, and we can sit back do nothing while sipping champagne 

 

 

Edited June 4 by mighty__mag

[madras]

43 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

Blackburn started it, a little club buying itself a PL title. If it was OK then, it should be OK now. Nothing's changed except transfer fees and wages have gone up.

Nah, Liverpool done it in the 60s., Sunderland tried in the 50s and got caught.

[Kid Icarus]

6 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Aye, I think the point is their hypocritical fans. It just cements the idea that dirty money is everywhere in football, including us, of course.

Aye, it's endemic like. You'd think the tribalism would be put to one side and we'd get together and say enough is enough like when the ESL was announced, but everyone seems comfortable with being hypocrites providing other fanbases are as well.

[Stifler]

17 minutes ago, cannybagoftudor said:

Possible bad news for the scousers - at least it makes their holier then thou moral stance less viable.

 

Liverpool sponsor Standard Chartered 'accused of helping to fund terrorist groups' after expert 'uncovers payments of £7.5bn' to suspect companies'

 

Articles:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13493933/Liverpool-sponsor-Standard-Chartered-accused-helping-fund-terrorist-groups.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-sponsor-standard-chartered-facing-32957443

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd11j09q2llo

https://moneyweek.com/investments/stocks-and-shares/bank-stocks/standard-chartered-terrorist-financing-accusations

Ah Liverpool, that Socialist city where everyone gets along, and it’s a utopia where everyone is nice and without sin.

 

Also that city that in the last 18 months a resident shot dead a child and half the city kept shut about who did it and helped hid him. Another family were shot at Christmas time in a pub, and they burnt down a hotel when found out that there was asylum seekers being housed there.

 

 

Edited June 4 by Stifler

[Stifler]

4 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Noooo, let them go through hell, then start a fresh case against them again with all the findings from the predecessor. 

 

Actually, I hope City find some success here, and we can sit back do nothing while sipping champagne.

Aye, honestly I actually hope Man City are guilty of the 115 charges, and get away with it.

[christ]

45 minutes ago, gdm said:

I don’t disagree. It’s just a mess. If the Saudis had bought a different club not one single person on here would be celebrating this. It’s just going to make the gap all the way down the pyramid massive. I hate the way the premier league is starting to become a jump too far for most championship clubs 

The most sustainable and effective way to address the gap is ensuring better distribution of money down the pyramid (something the PL are currently implacably opposed to). PSR doesn’t address the gap.

[Novocastrian]

Just now, Stifler said:

Ah Liverpool, that Socialist city where everyone gets along, and it’s a utopia where everyone is nice and without sin.

 

Also that city that in the last 18 months as resident shot dead a child and half the city kept shut about who did it and helped hid him. Another family were shot at Christmas time in a pub, and they burnt down a hotel when found out that there was asylum seekers being housed there.

Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths of 39 Juve fans at Heysel. It’s rarely mentioned, we are the bad guys because we’ve got Saudi owners. Shameless club.

[pubteam]

Every time I see this thread bumped to the top I hope city have started their legal challenge, today is that day 😁 

[madras]

Just now, Novocastrian said:

Liverpool fans were responsible for the deaths of 39 Juve fans at Heysel. It’s rarely mentioned, we are the bad guys because we’ve got Saudi owners. Shameless club.

Offended by everything, ashamed by nothing.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Bit tasteless that like.

[et tu brute]

Needed to be done and hopefully city take them to the cleaners. The current rules are totally against uk competition law and are a massive restraint of trade. I'm only surprised it's taken so long. 

[SAK]

1 hour ago, Abacus said:

Those rules were never going to go by a majority, the only way was a legal challenge.

 

In saying all that, having read the article, City really are throwing the kitchen sink at this one.

 

I've been trying to decide if I want FFP gone or APT gone first (or at all). But in either case, the effect is the same - if an owner can afford to invest, let them.

 

On balance, I'd rather FFP went. It's more transparent to say that owners have invested £xm and the club won't go bust than having a million and one elastic band sponsors, which everyone could see through anyway.

 

Does it create a new inequality? Yes. So, then, come up with a better FFP that doesn't force clubs to sell homegrown talent that fans want to keep, or farm young players for future home-grown sales, or stop anyone competing with the established clubs, as just a few examples.

Problem with that UEFA would still have similar rules in place so clubs in UEFA competitions would fall foul of their rules hence it would have to be via getting rid of APT.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

Needed to be done and hopefully city take them to the cleaners. The current rules are totally against uk competition law and are a massive restraint of trade. I'm only surprised it's taken so long. 

 

I think the rules are now starting to kick in after 3 years so it's affecting big clubs

[Keegans Export]

2 minutes ago, SAK said:

Problem with that UEFA would still have similar rules in place so clubs in UEFA competitions would fall foul of their rules hence it would have to be via getting rid of APT.

Do UEFA have their own version of APT/FMV? 

[Teslact]

41 minutes ago, Ben said:

I don't mind a little orange surprise

Stormy didn't.

[STM]

At this stage, I'm not sure I would bother with a DoF. I'd be looking at a technical director who works alongside a head of player recruitment model.

 

If Nickson is the head of recruitment, the technical director runs the academy, the medical side, the women's team and helps oversee the transfer negotiations.

[SAK]

Just now, Keegans Export said:

Do UEFA have their own version of APT/FMV? 

Not sure, hopefully those more knowledgeable in European football governance can say.

[Teslact]

29 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

Teams lower down are suffering already though? Forest, Everton and Leicester for example are sides that have tried to be competitive and been fucked by the rules. Even Villa may have to cash in on players after just securing champions league, it's ridiculous.

 

I think a fair few clubs coming up now simply don't bother trying to stay in the division with how things are. 

 

Meanwhile Chelsea have spent over £1b and are selling themselves hotels so they can hoover up talent from all over. 

 

 

 

Don't Villa still have a potential charge from the EFL hanging over them?

[Stifler]

1 minute ago, Teslact said:

 

Don't Villa still have a potential charge from the EFL hanging over them?

Possibly, but they are minted and not going back down, so they don’t give a fuck, throw the points deduction onto Leicester.

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

Fuck the premier league and their 18 months of delays, followed up by ill thought out rule changes to fuck us.  I hope Man City blow them out of the water. Today is a good day. 

[FloydianMag]

6 minutes ago, SAK said:

Problem with that UEFA would still have similar rules in place so clubs in UEFA competitions would fall foul of their rules hence it would have to be via getting rid of APT.

UEFA along with FIFA were going to introduce caps on agents fees until a UK Court ruling that it was a restriction of trade and both governing bodies had to backtrack.

[SUPERTOON]

Just scrapping the fair market value rules would be huge for us.

[Kid Icarus]

18 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Ah Liverpool, that Socialist city where everyone gets along, and it’s a utopia where everyone is nice and without sin.

 

Also that city that in the last 18 months a resident shot dead a child and half the city kept shut about who did it and helped hid him. Another family were shot at Christmas time in a pub, and they burnt down a hotel when found out that there was asylum seekers being housed there.

 

Can't believe you love Raoul Moat

[Abacus]

2 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Do UEFA have their own version of APT/FMV? 

Nah, I was saying I'd rather FFP went than APT (so we could invest via owner capital), whereas SAK was responding saying that wouldn't help us in UEFA due to their own version of the FFP rules.