Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

But it still won't close the gap unless we can compete for the best players so we can build a winning brand. How do you propose to change that?

 

 

Pushing the boundaries of the rules and exploiting every loophole imaginable. Do it bold faced until the loopholes are closed. If we got a midfielder, RW and CB on loan from Saudi we would be in Europe this season. 
 

There’s still nothing stopping us loaning players from Saudi on the cheap. 
 

 

Then fight some of the closed loopholes in court as some are bound to be anti competitive. 
 

football is so competitive we need to leverage everything we can and leave nothing on the table.  That means exploiting loopholes ruthlessly, stadium, academy, max sponsorships possible, big bonus incentives in sponsorships. Form coalitions with other PL teams with common interests for voting and shenanigans. We’ve got a decent relationship with Forest, need to get in bed with Leicester, Villa, Chelsea for now, Everton where it makes sense. 
 

Daniel Levy is doing everything in his power.  We must do the same. 
 

All this cautious cautious, don’t rock the boat, move slowly isn’t going to work.  This ain’t the PGA Tour.  You can’t just write the biggest cheques, this ain’t Boxing.  Fast.  Ruthless. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 16:25 by The College Dropout

[Rod]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Pushing the boundaries of the rules and exploiting every loophole imaginable. Do it bold faced until the loopholes are closed. If we got a midfielder, RW and CB on loan from Saudi we would be in Europe this season. 
 

There’s still nothing stopping us loaning players from Saudi on the cheap. 
 

 

Then fight some of the closed loopholes in court as some are bound to be anti competitive. 
 

football is so competitive we need to leverage everything we can and leave nothing on the table.  That means exploiting loopholes ruthlessly, stadium, academy, max sponsorships possible, big bonus incentives in sponsorships. Form coalitions with other PL teams with common interests for voting and shenanigans. We’ve got a decent relationship with Forest, need to get in bed with Leicester, Villa, Chelsea for now, Everton where it makes sense. 
 

Daniel Levy is doing everything in his power.  We must do the same. 
 

All this cautious cautious, don’t rock the boat, move slowly isn’t going to work.  This ain’t the PGA Tour.  You can’t just write the biggest cheques, this ain’t Boxing.  Fast.  Ruthless. 

 

 

 

I honestly think it's the first time EVER that I have agreed with you.

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Rod said:

I honestly think it's the first time EVER that I have agreed with you.

Then you don’t know ball. 

[bobbydazzla]

6 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Pushing the boundaries of the rules and exploiting every loophole imaginable. Do it bold faced until the loopholes are closed. If we got a midfielder, RW and CB on loan from Saudi we would be in Europe this season. 
 

There’s still nothing stopping us loaning players from Saudi on the cheap. 
 

 

Then fight some of the closed loopholes in court as some are bound to be anti competitive. 
 

football is so competitive we need to leverage everything we can and leave nothing on the table.  That means exploiting loopholes ruthlessly, stadium, academy, max sponsorships possible, big bonus incentives in sponsorships. Form coalitions with other PL teams with common interests for voting and shenanigans. We’ve got a decent relationship with Forest, need to get in bed with Leicester, Villa, Chelsea for now, Everton where it makes sense. 
 

Daniel Levy is doing everything in his power.  We must do the same. 
 

All this cautious cautious, don’t rock the boat, move slowly isn’t going to work.  This ain’t the PGA Tour.  You can’t just write the biggest cheques, this ain’t Boxing.  Fast.  Ruthless. 

 

 

 

[r0cafella]

This is from 2022-2023 

 

And the thing I find really interesting isn't the gap between say us and the sky 6, it's the "average club" bar. It really is a great visual demonstration of the nonsense which are FFP/PSR rules.

 

"The average imaginary clubs revenue would actually place it 7th which just goes to show how skewed revenue is in the league and highlights the chasm which exists, this gap can't be breached without owner investment weather that be direct investment or through related party sponsors. 

 

[FloydianMag]

Interesting read although from October it sums up the problems the PL are facing on 22/11 when they meet.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5839766/2024/10/14/premier-league-shareholder-loans/

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, FloydianMag said:

Interesting read although from October it sums up the problems the PL are facing on 22/11 when they meet.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5839766/2024/10/14/premier-league-shareholder-loans/

Great that Brighton bailed us out of FFP problems but galling that they were able to do it through unfair means.

[FloydianMag]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

Great that Brighton bailed us out of FFP problems but galling that they were able to do it through unfair means.

The players they’ve sold recently I doubt it was money from Bloom’s personal wealth that funded the Minteh purchase.

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, FloydianMag said:

The players they’ve sold recently I doubt it was money from Bloom’s personal wealth that funded the Minteh purchase.

Is it not the case though that but for the shareholders loans, the player sales would have been to keep club afloat not purchase Minteh ?

[FloydianMag]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Is it not the case though that but for the shareholders loans, the player sales would have been to keep club afloat not purchase Minteh ?

Possibly but you have to factor in that what they did then wasn’t illegal. Hence the meeting on 22/11 will be fractious if not hostile to changes being applied retrospectively.

[TRon]

23 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Pushing the boundaries of the rules and exploiting every loophole imaginable. Do it bold faced until the loopholes are closed. If we got a midfielder, RW and CB on loan from Saudi we would be in Europe this season. 
 

There’s still nothing stopping us loaning players from Saudi on the cheap. 
 

 

Then fight some of the closed loopholes in court as some are bound to be anti competitive. 
 

football is so competitive we need to leverage everything we can and leave nothing on the table.  That means exploiting loopholes ruthlessly, stadium, academy, max sponsorships possible, big bonus incentives in sponsorships. Form coalitions with other PL teams with common interests for voting and shenanigans. We’ve got a decent relationship with Forest, need to get in bed with Leicester, Villa, Chelsea for now, Everton where it makes sense. 
 

Daniel Levy is doing everything in his power.  We must do the same. 
 

All this cautious cautious, don’t rock the boat, move slowly isn’t going to work.  This ain’t the PGA Tour.  You can’t just write the biggest cheques, this ain’t Boxing.  Fast.  Ruthless. 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with a lot of that actually, because most of it won't cost a huge amount of money, and might even pay back dividends. The only one I can't get my head around is spending over a billion on a new stadium because from an investment POV I just don't know if an owner today would consider it a good investment. Happy to be told otherwise though.

 

Levy built a new stadium a few years ago, but it came at the cost of investment in the first team iirc. He quite often cited stadium costs as a reason they couldn't spend on players, and that was when they were in the CL.

[Stifler]

11 minutes ago, TRon said:

I agree with a lot of that actually, because most of it won't cost a huge amount of money, and might even pay back dividends. The only one I can't get my head around is spending over a billion on a new stadium because from an investment POV I just don't know if an owner today would consider it a good investment. Happy to be told otherwise though.

 

Levy built a new stadium a few years ago, but it came at the cost of investment in the first team iirc. He quite often cited stadium costs as a reason they couldn't spend on players, and that was when they were in the CL.

If it was purely investment, you wouldn’t buy a football club. Ok values can rise, but generally you have to put in just as much for that to grow.

 

I don’t think it is purely investment, maybe initially from PCP it was, but I think Amanda made it clear after doing the Manchester City deal, she wanted to own/run a club. I think circumstances have changed, and she doesn’t want to do that anymore, PCP was pretty much neglected whilst she did.

From the Reuben’s, they are wanting soft power/to get in to bed with the council. They own about a quarter of the city in property, much of it which needs regenerating. They need to have a relationship with the council, or some leverage. NUFC does that.

We all know why Saudi want to own us, the same reason why Abu Dhabi own Manchester City, and Qatar own PSG.

[Jackie Broon]

5 hours ago, FloydianMag said:

Possibly but you have to factor in that what they did then wasn’t illegal. Hence the meeting on 22/11 will be fractious if not hostile to changes being applied retrospectively.

 

They're in a catch 22, apply it retrospectively and it'll probably be unenforceable for similar reasons to the Leicester case, don't apply it retrospectively and FMV/PSR is probably still unlawful because there'll be 2-3 years in the PSR calculations where those clubs haven't had FMV applied to their loans.

 

Probably the only way around it is to restart the PSR cycle from scratch.

 

 

[TRon]

37 minutes ago, Stifler said:

If it was purely investment, you wouldn’t buy a football club. Ok values can rise, but generally you have to put in just as much for that to grow.

 

I don’t think it is purely investment, maybe initially from PCP it was, but I think Amanda made it clear after doing the Manchester City deal, she wanted to own/run a club. I think circumstances have changed, and she doesn’t want to do that anymore, PCP was pretty much neglected whilst she did.

From the Reuben’s, they are wanting soft power/to get in to bed with the council. They own about a quarter of the city in property, much of it which needs regenerating. They need to have a relationship with the council, or some leverage. NUFC does that.

We all know why Saudi want to own us, the same reason why Abu Dhabi own Manchester City, and Qatar own PSG.

 

Yep, that's why I always think it's not purely about money. Even if you were to take the cynical view that the Saudis bought it for sportswashing, it's still done a lot more effectively with a winning team on the pitch.