Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Wolfcastle]

Canny weekend for the cartel. Bar Man United they all win and all the ambitious clubs they've hobbled and have generally hit a glass ceiling of legislature dropped points.

 

[Karjala]

Where do we go from here? 

Sell Isak, Bruno and Gordon for £250m and start again? 

 

Why are we so squeaky clean? Spend the money and get the lawyers on it, like others do.

[Ben]

Apparently Man Utd are not a kick in the arse away from failing PSR, I wonder if the EPL would dare dock them points or just give them more allowances ? 

[Froggy]

3 hours ago, Ben said:

Apparently Man Utd are not a kick in the arse away from failing PSR, I wonder if the EPL would dare dock them points or just give them more allowances ? 

 

Got an email from our supporters trust tonight that price increases are being applied effective immediately on all available tickets (i.e. not season tickets). Increasing to £66 a ticket, and that's applicable to kids and OAP as well. £132 for a parent and child to go and see a game.

 

No consultation with fans, only the message that it's urgently needed due to profitability and sustainability rules. 

 

There's a big pushback expected on it. 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Froggy

[r0cafella]

Listening to the Athletics podcast regarding these rules changed and Matt slater is on whom I like but he's getting on my nerves so far. Terms such as "smashing the ceiling in a hurry" his tone is off to me it has a hint of disapproval. Why do certain clubs feel a sense of entitlement towards success why are others not allowed to compete. It goes totally against the spirit of the sport to have rules which are anti competitive in nature, it's disappointing this isn't widely recognised as the journalist continue to trot out the premier league line. 

[et tu brute]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Listening to the Athletics podcast regarding these rules changed and Matt slater is on whom I like but he's getting on my nerves so far. Terms such as "smashing the ceiling in a hurry" his tone is off to me it has a hint of disapproval. Why do certain clubs feel a sense of entitlement towards success why are others not allowed to compete. It goes totally against the spirit of the sport to have rules which are anti competitive in nature, it's disappointing this isn't widely recognised as the journalist continue to trot out the premier league line. 

I've always thought of Matt Slater as a right twat personally, so I'm not surprised 

[Sima]

5 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Got an email from our supporters trust tonight that price increases are being applied effective immediately on all available tickets (i.e. not season tickets). Increasing to £66 a ticket, and that's applicable to kids and OAP as well. £132 for a parent and child to go and see a game.

 

No consultation with fans, only the message that it's urgently needed due to profitability and sustainability rules. 

 

There's a big pushback expected on it. 

 

 

 

Surely there’s something in place preventing mid-season ticket price rises?

[Stifler]

9 hours ago, Ben said:

Apparently Man Utd are not a kick in the arse away from failing PSR, I wonder if the EPL would dare dock them points or just give them more allowances? 

If they fall foul, they’ll either introduce a rule where new owners have a time period of ‘investment’ that only goes back 18 months, or they’ll let them off with a fine claiming they won court case like Leicester.

[Whitley mag]

5 hours ago, et tu brute said:

I've always thought of Matt Slater as a right twat personally, so I'm not surprised 

Spot on up the Premier Leagues arse throughout the takeover and was definitely being briefed by them.

[bobbydazzla]

11 hours ago, Ben said:

Apparently Man Utd are not a kick in the arse away from failing PSR, I wonder if the EPL would dare dock them points or just give them more allowances ? 

New rule introduced that says clubs who are part owned by Brexit voting chemical nonces and have waterfalls in their stadium are temporarily exempt from PSR 

[bobbydazzla]

6 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Listening to the Athletics podcast regarding these rules changed and Matt slater is on whom I like but he's getting on my nerves so far. Terms such as "smashing the ceiling in a hurry" his tone is off to me it has a hint of disapproval. Why do certain clubs feel a sense of entitlement towards success why are others not allowed to compete. It goes totally against the spirit of the sport to have rules which are anti competitive in nature, it's disappointing this isn't widely recognised as the journalist continue to trot out the premier league line. 

 

 

Was Matt Slater getting his knickers in a twist when Ashley bought us and we went from being a competitive side to “scraping the bottom of the barrel in a hurry” ?

 

No, thought not 

 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[ExiledGeordie]

Building the academy, being shrewd in the transfer market like Brighton and moving to a new stadium is probably the only way we can reach our potential and ambition. 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by ExiledGeordie

[mouldy_uk]

2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Building the academy, being shrewd in the transfer market like Brighton and moving to a new stadium is probably the only way we can reach our potential and ambition. 

 

 

 

Probably right but I’ll be dead before that lot comes to fruition.

 

Just want some sweet short term paid for success

 

[Sima]

2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Building the academy, being shrewd in the transfer market like Brighton and moving to a new stadium is probably the only way we can reach our potential and ambition. 

 

 

 

Achieved with a shitload of shareholder loans.

 

Loophole now closed.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Sima said:

Achieved with a shitload of shareholder loans.

 

Loophole now closed.

It's such a shameless bunch of owners. They have literally brassnecks. 

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It's such a shameless bunch of owners. They have literally brassnecks. 

Thoroughly depressing 

[Ben]

8 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Got an email from our supporters trust tonight that price increases are being applied effective immediately on all available tickets (i.e. not season tickets). Increasing to £66 a ticket, and that's applicable to kids and OAP as well. £132 for a parent and child to go and see a game.

 

No consultation with fans, only the message that it's urgently needed due to profitability and sustainability rules. 

 

There's a big pushback expected on it. 

 

 

 

 

Horrific that

[Nucasol]

8 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Got an email from our supporters trust tonight that price increases are being applied effective immediately on all available tickets (i.e. not season tickets). Increasing to £66 a ticket, and that's applicable to kids and OAP as well. £132 for a parent and child to go and see a game.

 

No consultation with fans, only the message that it's urgently needed due to profitability and sustainability rules. 

 

There's a big pushback expected on it. 

 

 

 

Like they’ll give a shit. Brexit Jimbo obviously taking advice from the remaining Dildo Hermano and Dirty Dan Levy: https://thefsa.org.uk/news/concessions-battle-spurs-and-west-ham-fans-plan-joint-demo/#:~:text=Back in March Tottenham Hotspur,Our Seniors campaign group said.

[Ben]

Has any media picked up on this story yet ?

[TRon]

2 hours ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Building the academy, being shrewd in the transfer market like Brighton and moving to a new stadium is probably the only way we can reach our potential and ambition. 

 

 

 

 

The cartel clubs will all be doing exactly the same thing but with a bigger treasury to hire the best in all fields. Realistically we would be around 6th/7th in the resources department when it comes to reaching our potential and ambition?

 

 

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The cartel clubs will all be doing exactly the same thing but with a bigger treasury to hire the best in all fields. Realistically we would be around 6th/7th in the resources department when it comes to reaching our potential and ambition?

 

 

Yeah I guess 🤷‍♂️ I’m enjoying the club actively wanting to progress and try and fulfill ambition but as I’ve said in another post I’ve abandoned my original ambitions in the honeymoon of the takeover when we all dreamed. Our wings have been clipped and we’ll be 4th on occasion when everything clicks but more like fighting 5th to 7th from now on and aiming at a cup. I just don’t see how we can realistically become a regular top four side. We can’t spend a fucking thing. 

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Yeah I guess 🤷‍♂️ I’m enjoying the club actively wanting to progress and try and fulfill ambition but as I’ve said in another post I’ve abandoned my original ambitions in the honeymoon of the takeover when we all dreamed. Our wings have been clipped and we’ll be 4th on occasion when everything clicks but more like fighting 5th to 7th from now on and aiming at a cup. I just don’t see how we can realistically become a regular top four side. We can’t spend a fucking thing. 

 

Finishing 5th would be overachieving if we look at it soberly. I think it's been mentioned a few times that our wage bill and team value is probably closer to around 7th which would have us (maybe) just missing out on Europe like last time round.

[The College Dropout]

30 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The cartel clubs will all be doing exactly the same thing but with a bigger treasury to hire the best in all fields. Realistically we would be around 6th/7th in the resources department when it comes to reaching our potential and ambition?

 

 

Don’t think this is true. 
 

There’s nothing stopping us outspending them on academy and infrastructure. That’s outside the remit of PSR. Same thing with women’s football. 
 

Our wages and team cost is 7/8 - swapping positions with Villa. That’s par for me. Which is why I never understood trying to sign Guehi. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by The College Dropout

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Got an email from our supporters trust tonight that price increases are being applied effective immediately on all available tickets (i.e. not season tickets). Increasing to £66 a ticket, and that's applicable to kids and OAP as well. £132 for a parent and child to go and see a game.

 

No consultation with fans, only the message that it's urgently needed due to profitability and sustainability rules. 

 

There's a big pushback expected on it. 

 

 

 

Literally what the rules are designed to do - costs passed onto supporters.  Owners don’t have to invest.  

[TheBrownBottle]

28 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Yeah I guess 🤷‍♂️ I’m enjoying the club actively wanting to progress and try and fulfill ambition but as I’ve said in another post I’ve abandoned my original ambitions in the honeymoon of the takeover when we all dreamed. Our wings have been clipped and we’ll be 4th on occasion when everything clicks but more like fighting 5th to 7th from now on and aiming at a cup. I just don’t see how we can realistically become a regular top four side. We can’t spend a fucking thing. 

It could happen with the right commercial strategy and targeted investment.  To date we’ve came up well short on those fronts.

 

Need to:

 

- build a new ground (not restricted by PSR)

- build a new training ground and academy with elite coaches (not restricted by PSR) 

- get some sponsors in (ground, academy, training ground) - can be limited by PSR but so far we’ve done nowt

- get more commercial partners in (same as above)

 

It’s hard to say that we’re trying to be all we can be when we haven’t even maximised within the current limitations.   At present our commercial revenue will flatline this season.