Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Andy84]

Brighton footballs financial teachers pet, very passive aggressive comment.  it’s these clubs such as Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves, Fulham who vote to keep the status quo in place 

[Whitley mag]

Qualify for Europe and dream of signing better players….nah qualify for Europe and you’ll have to sell your best players fucking joke.

 

How Masters can keep a straight face when he comes out with his cartel drivel of ensuring an equal playing field is scandalous.

[toon25]

So is the long and short of it that we can't buy?

[PauloGeordio]

Just now, toon25 said:

So is the long and short of it that we can't buy?

Somebody knows. We don’t.

[ikri]

31 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

If we qualify for Europe over the next couple of seasons, we're basically going to have to slash our squad costs whilst the cartel clubs can blow even more money? Honestly, what's the point of even trying.

 

 

 

 

It will depend heavily on what sanctions UEFA impose on clubs who breach the spending rules.  If it's just a token fine, as it has been for clubs like PSG so far, then fuck it, just pay the fine and carry on.

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

That's what I was trying to get out, I doubt Hall and Tino are on mega money so outside of Tonali there are no new large wages outlays, bit we have Joe and Brunos new contracts to consider, net of the reduced amortisation of course!

 

We've probably added £30-35m in amortisation + wage costs since 2022/23, inclusive of incomings and outgoings. 

[duo]

That can't be right as we made more than 2.7mil off Minteh and Anderson

 

 

Edited Thursday at 16:59 by duo

[andycap]

Should get in contact with the clubs in psr bother and we should all fuck it off. 

Cannot see the Premier league relegating us all. 

[Whitley mag]

Due to protectionism the elite are killing all excitement in the game, it’s a fucking shambles and the sooner someone brings this charade to a courtroom the better.

 

 

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, duo said:

That can't be right as we made more than 2.7mil off Minteh and Anderson

 

 

 

It’s based on 22/23

[Mag3.14]

1 minute ago, duo said:

That can't be right as we made more than 2.7mil off Minteh and Anderson

 

 

 

Those deals will fall within the 23/24 accounts (YE 30/6/2024) This data only covers up to the previous years finances 22/23

[TRon]

22 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

Brighton footballs financial teachers pet, very passive aggressive comment.  it’s these clubs such as Brighton, Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves, Fulham who vote to keep the status quo in place 

 

Tbf, they are all small time clubs, the FFP model suits them down to the ground as they know their place in the pecking order and don't have any ambitions to be anything than what they are.

 

It's the clubs with the ambition and history to aim for the top that are a threat to the cartel, and that would be the likes of us, and probably Villa. Quite incredible really, that the cartel will tie themselves in knots with legislature to stop at most, a couple of potential rivals.

[Whitley mag]

If it was truly about fair play and sustainability they’d set the same upper spending limit for everybody and providing the owner pays off the debt within a time frame you’re good.

[duo]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

Due to protectionism the elite are killing all excitement in the game, it’s a fucking shambles and the sooner someone brings this charade to a courtroom the better.

 

 

Utter idiots man - the likes of Masters are so focused on protecting the elite they are destroying what made this league great in the first place. I really wish we'd take it to court - these rules can not be legal - football is a business and the rules are anti competitive.  If you have the money you should be able to spend what you want - simple as.

[Scoot]

These rules just make me so angry these days, I try and avoid reading anything about them. It honestly sometimes just makes me think what on earth is the point? Completely rigged system, that little lick arse clubs vote for to keep themselves on the gravy train.

 

I mean, having to cut squad cost if you qualify for Europe is beyond hilarious. 

[Gazzaschicken]

If an owner wants to invest just get them to put the money into an escrow and draw down from it. PIF just wire in half a billion and we fill our boots. 

 

 

[Ben]

16 minutes ago, Gazzaschicken said:

If an owner wants to invest just get them to put the money into an escrow and draw down from it. PIF just wire in half a billion and we fill our boots. 

 

 

 

TBF this has been mentioned by loads of financial experts, there can't be anything more sustainable, however the Sky6 are happy with the current set up and the rest of the clubs don't want to challenge anyway so why bother.

[andycap]

Why does profit come into the rules, surely it should be about sustainability to stop clubs going under. 

By using the profit part it stops clubs from spending. 

[Ben]

This is the first statement of principles of the Premier League

 

Ambitious: Playing the world’s most competitive and compelling football. Striving for excellence in everything we do. Thinking big; not setting any unnecessary limits or barriers.

[andyc35i]

3 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

If it was truly about fair play and sustainability they’d set the same upper spending limit for everybody and providing the owner pays off the debt within a time frame you’re good.

 

I like the idea of restricting your ability to buy players during a transfer window as the punishment rather than a points deduction. This means you’re actually trying to curb spending that a team has been deemed by PSR that they ‘cannot afford’ without hampering their opportunity to sell if they need to

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, toon25 said:

So is the long and short of it that we can't buy?

Yes.  It was the same in the summer; if we’d bought Guehi we’d have needed to sell before 30 June

3 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

Somebody knows. We don’t.

We do, though.  The accounts are published publicly, and last season’s plus this season’s can be reasonably accurately forecast.  There’s nothing in the FFP pot, and the new rules (which make it even harder) kick in next season. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

I'm sure I read that out revenue was going to be £300m either last season or this season so the calcs are out of date, we didn't add that much on wages for 23/24 either. Tonali will be on a wedge, new deal for Bruno and Big Joe and then whatever Hall and Tino are on.

 

Bear in mind were going to save a fair bit with Wilson, Lascelles etc al leaving as well as some amortisation dropping off.

 

Not to say we won't still be negative, but it won't be at the level shown

Our income for last season likely will be around that number, and the same again this season.  Our amortisation currently stands at c.£200m and salaries at c.£100m.  So there isn’t exactly a lot of wriggle room. 

[Ronson333]

Fans of the red cartel suddenly want to spend because they are no longer at the top

 

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/screw-psr-we-have-to-buy-in-jan.486274/

[SAK]

3 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Fans of the red cartel suddenly want to spend because they are no longer at the top

 

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/screw-psr-we-have-to-buy-in-jan.486274/

If Man U stay shit and can’t buy players it could be handy in easing restrictions. 

[Sima]

6 minutes ago, SAK said:

If Man U stay shit and can’t buy players it could be handy in easing restrictions. 

Nah, the restrictions will stay in place but they’ll get “exceptions”.