Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[MagMal]

52 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

Apparently it was 5 points deducted that was mitigated down to 2 points based on already penalised (), Russia invading Ukraine () and the fact the club admitted the breach at the first opportunity (?)

 

Somewhat ridiculous 

Well if that pattern keeps up people will sonn be getting extra points for over spending 

[Jonas]

That's the way to do it. Stay up a few seasons at others expense because you broke regulations and take a small points deductions a few years later when it doesn't matter.  Food for thought

[La Parka]

They aren't yet safe...

[Nine]

And they have Forest, Luton and Sheffield United to play yet.. not to mention a derby on top of that. 
 

[Kid Icarus]

2 points has such a feeling of triangulation about it like.

[Pixelphish]

[Mike]

1 minute ago, Pixelphish said:

 

[Jaqen]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Two different charges and one appeal to be fair. It was Everton’s fault they kicked the can down the road with the first one for two seasons. The fact the reduced points (after appeal of 1st charge) of 6 points would’ve relegated them either of those two seasons highlights why they’ve picked this season to accept their punishment.

 

Well yeah that in itself is ridiculous. They've stayed up at others expense who haven't broke the rules and been given a punishment the one season it may not condemn them to Championship. Whole thing just seems like a shit show. 

 

 

[duo]

1 hour ago, maze said:

I expect them to put Man City out of business then….

Ha well you would think - add Chelsea to that as well.  Strangely all quiet on that front - easy to hit the smaller teams.  The whole thing needs scrapping it is making the league a joke.

[MagMal]

26 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

Well yeah that in itself is ridiculous. They've stayed up at others expense who haven't broke the rules and been given a punishment the one season it may not condemn them to Championship. Whole thing just seems like a shit show. 

 

 

Yeah got to protect the scouse tramps and the media love in of them not been relegated for donkeys years, even if they are a massive turd floating at the bottom of the league.

[Armchair Pundit]

The sooner FFP gets removed in favour of a luxury tax the better, the whole FFP system is a shambolic embarrassment as it stands. Regardless of the implications towards us, regular messing about with deductions, chopping and changing the table, it's just cocking up where teams are placed too much, nobody knows whether they're coming or going and there's always that possible specter over your shoulder and that where you 'think' the teams are in the table, might not actually be the case, so nobody knows what to aim for. Just a mess from start to finish - it's becoming a balance sheet championship for most teams, more than actual football being played.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Armchair Pundit

[LFEE]

16 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

The sooner FFP gets removed in favour of a luxury tax the better, the whole FFP system is a shambolic embarrassment as it stands. Regardless of the implications towards us, regular messing about with deductions, chopping and changing the table, it's just cocking up where teams are placed too much, nobody knows whether they're coming or going and there's always that possible specter over your shoulder and that where you 'think' the teams are in the table, might not actually be the case, so nobody knows what to aim for. Just a mess from start to finish - it's becoming a balance sheet championship for most teams, more than actual football being played.

 

 

 

Not sure I could stand some of our fans if a luxury tax was invoked. A lot of them are annoying as it is 

[Jonas]

Don't like the idea of all time tables having in brackets by the clubs how many points they've been deducted so as to make sense of the wins/draws not totting up to the points correctly. May as well open another table like goal-difference.

Suppose its worth messing with things like that so Spurs and the reds have an easy life though.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Jonas

[Chris_R]

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In its written reasons the independent commission said the Premier League had asked for a five-point deduction for the club.

The commission decided that any breach of PSR justifies a three-point deduction, with an additional two points because Everton's breach of £16.6m - 15.8% above the £105m threshold - is deemed significant.

 

So they've set the precedent in writing and you get 3 for breaching PSR rules, and a further 2 if you break it by a lot?

 

I say we crack open the chequebook. I'm sure we can buy at least another 6 points worth of players and come out ahead.

[Skeletor]

What if everyone just breaches FFP and starts the season with points deductions?

[Guest]

Two punishments for the same offence over 3 years... so Everton are still due another points deduction? 

[Slim]

Seems strange that the punishment is less if you do it twice.  Normal logic would be you get a harsher punishment.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

44 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

So they've set the precedent in writing and you get 3 for breaching PSR rules, and a further 2 if you break it by a lot?

 

I say we crack open the chequebook. I'm sure we can buy at least another 6 points worth of players and come out ahead.

The problem with going crazy one summer is that it's a rolling 3 year period so we'd continue to get hit with deductions each season

 

Our approach whilst frustrating is the sensible one, playing along whilst hopefully the entire thing comes crashing down means we don't lose out

 

 

[Chris_R]

59 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

The problem with going crazy one summer is that it's a rolling 3 year period so we'd continue to get hit with deductions each season

 

Our approach whilst frustrating is the sensible one, playing along whilst hopefully the entire thing comes crashing down means we don't lose out

 

 

I wasn't being entirely serious, but it does make you think it's pointless us playing by the rules, especially when they keep changing the rules solely to stop us competing.

 

If our organic progress is going to be limited such that it'll take 10+ years to become a regular European club, it makes a fine and a 3 year European ban or whatever the maximum is they can throw at us seem rather small in comparison. If taking the punishment and coming out the other side still leaves us ahead, we'd be silly not to consider it. Especially when the whole thing is otherwise set up to stop specifically just us from gaining any ground.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Chris_R

[Keegans Export]

26 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

If our organic progress is going to be limited such that it'll take 10+ years to become a regular European club, it makes a fine and a 3 year European ban or whatever the maximum is they can throw at us seem rather small in comparison. If taking the punishment and coming out the other side still leaves us ahead, we'd be silly not to consider it. Especially when the whole thing is otherwise set up to stop specifically just us from gaining any ground.

To play Devil's Advocate we're only 2½ years in, we've had one CL run and could still end up in Europe again next season despite our crippling injury situation. 

[Joe1984]

2 hours ago, Slim said:

Seems strange that the punishment is less if you do it twice.  Normal logic would be you get a harsher punishment.

 

Isn't Tonali being charged again... ?

[FloydianMag]

7 minutes ago, Joe1984 said:

Isn't Tonali being charged again... ?

Has been charged, likely any punishment will run concurrent to his existing ban.

[leffe186]

1 hour ago, Chris_R said:

…the whole thing is otherwise set up to stop specifically just us from gaining any ground.

Why do you say that? FFP was agreed in 2009 by UEFA and implemented two years later. It was obviously set up - at least in part - to try to stop somebody coming in, buying any club and then throwing money at the wall. For many reasons, some nefarious, some not. Of course 13 years later it was you that got bought by a country and so you’re in their sights now.

[Fatwax]

7 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Why do you say that? FFP was agreed in 2009 by UEFA and implemented two years later. It was obviously set up - at least in part - to try to stop somebody coming in, buying any club and then throwing money at the wall. For many reasons, some nefarious, some not. Of course 13 years later it was you that got bought by a country and so you’re in their sights now.

 

FMV was brought in to stop us progressing quickly.

[leffe186]

3 minutes ago, Fatwax said:

 

FMV was brought in to stop us progressing quickly.

I was just questioning the “whole thing” phrase - just seemed like over-egging the pudding. The authorities have been trying to shut the stable door for years and years, and clearly it’s been unworkable/failed as shown by Man City’s rise.