Newcastle United 0-2 Manchester United (26/02/2023)

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, Pilko said:

As I was saying to my pal during my expensive Club Wembley half time pint on Sunday, it must be fucking easy being a Man U fan.

 

Rock up just before the game, another day out at Wembley, hope we beat whoever it is we're playing. Chances are we will. Play bang average on the day but marginally better than the opposition, bit of quality from the billions spent or the rub of the green, lucky break, refereeing call or deflection we've had go our way consistently since the 90s and Ferguson era. Don't bother chanting unless it's aimed at the opposition fans. Don't make any other noise unless we score. Complain about the Glazers, they're a fucking disgrace, I mean finishing top four basically every season, guaranteed European football and in the quarter finals of at least one of two of the major competitions every single season, it's a bloody outrage that we only had two decades of winning stuff every single season and now it's only every few years! Where's my yellow and green scarf gone? Ah look, we've won, get in! Let's take the piss out of the opposition one last time. Quick round of applause and nip off before they lift the cup, it's only the fucking Carabao, best go get the train or plane to wherever I'm from which almost certainly isn't Manchester. See you in a few months lads to do it all over again. 

 

In short, you don't get what you deserve in football. So many of these entitled wankers took the whole thing for granted and our lot would have collectively given various limbs for a cup win.

 

You OK bro

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said:

They're a horrible bunch of parasites make no mistake.

 

Not sure in this instance it's necessarily terrible for football as with the amounts of money involved these days a well ran man Utd without owners extracting dividends and backed by a properly enforced ffp regime could be uncatchable.

 

Anyone that wishes those sort of owners on any club has mental issues like and should take a long, hard look at themselves. Well aware we had cunts in our fanbase that enjoyed Ashley sucking the soul out of your club, but I don't think any real football fan took any enjoyment from that. It should be the same with the Glazers. 

 

I don't think any club is uncatchable anymore though. Eventually every club in England will be owned by foreign billionaires and the league will be a free for all.

[Tsunami]

Is there any reason why Man U fans immediately start with the antagonising songs as opposed to support their own team songs?

 

We got the train from Marylebone to Wembley and the first songs were both Shearer songs, from lads that clearly thought that they’d out number Newcastle fans. That soon stopped as the train got swamped with Newcastle fans but they immediately tried it again once off the train (and soon stopped again). They could quite easily have received a good slap and have had no complaints as they were clearly intent of taking the piss and acting the big lad.

[Kid Icarus]

There are a couple of fanbases who could seriously do with some forced humility. One is Everton by being relegated and coming back (like us and Villa had to) and the other is Man United. 

 

Unfortunately with the latter I don't think it'll ever happen, the collective arrogance of their stereotypical fan hasn't changed one iota during these supposedly dark post-Fergie years. 

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Is there any reason why Man U fans immediately start with the antagonising songs as opposed to support their own team songs?

 

We got the train from Marylebone to Wembley and the first songs were both Shearer songs, from lads that clearly thought that they’d out number Newcastle fans. That soon stopped as the train got swamped with Newcastle fans but they immediately tried it again once off the train (and soon stopped again). They could quite easily have received a good slap and have had no complaints as they were clearly intent of taking the piss and acting the big lad.

 

We have songs for Liverpool, Man City, Leeds etc. and they're in full effect when we're playing said teams.

 

I have genuinely never seen the issue with chanting songs about opposing teams whenver you play them. Do Newcastle fans not have a song about "kicking Mackem's heads in" or something to that effect?

[Geordinho]

8 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Is there any reason why Man U fans immediately start with the antagonising songs as opposed to support their own team songs?

 

We got the train from Marylebone to Wembley and the first songs were both Shearer songs, from lads that clearly thought that they’d out number Newcastle fans. That soon stopped as the train got swamped with Newcastle fans but they immediately tried it again once off the train (and soon stopped again). They could quite easily have received a good slap and have had no complaints as they were clearly intent of taking the piss and acting the big lad.

We had the (?) pleasure of heading down on the train from Manchester on Sunday morning. It was the same all the way down even when they thought no Newcastle fans were in earshot.
 

Straight up weird behaviour especially as 90% were Shearer related songs & the bulk of them singing it weren’t born when fucked them off.

[Tsunami]

10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We have songs for Liverpool, Man City, Leeds etc. and they're in full effect when we're playing said teams.

 

I have genuinely never seen the issue with chanting songs about opposing teams whenver you play them. Do Newcastle fans not have a song about "kicking Mackem's heads in" or something to that effect?

We sing Hark now hear the Geordies sing, the Sun’land ran away” when we play them. It’s not the first song we sing and it’s not sang in their faces believing that if anything kicks off that someone else will jump in for them.

 

There was another group of Man U fans at the end of the carriage who’d actually been beside us in the pub at the station (no colours, quiet) that also started Shearer songs. A group of Newcastle fans literally smiled and cuddled them.

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Tsunami said:

We sing Hark now hear the Geordies sing, the Sun’land ran away” when we play them. It’s not the first song we sing and it’s not sang in their faces believing that if anything kicks off that someone else will jump in for them.

 

I think it's a bit naive to think this is why the songs are sung. Man United have one song about Shearer, and another about Soslkjaer where Shearer's name is mentioned once. One isn't antagonistic in the slightest and the worst thing the other says is that Newcastle are a shit football team.  As far as football chants go they're very vanilla. I think if anyone was to "kick off" because of them they have deep lying issues.

 

They're just football chants man.

[Tsunami]

The lad in the camel coloured coat and his mate, with a withering look from a Newcastle fan. Absolute stereo type Man U fans. 

[Tsunami]

They were quite clearly sung to antagonise and look for a reaction safely thinking they’d have back up. Ain’t my fault you didn’t have better songs to work with. Cheer up Alan Shearer only has one intention surely?

[The Butcher]

There's no supporter group I've less respect for than Man Utd's.

 

 

[Geogaddi]

They don't even need to sing about Shearer either, they won everything going without him and didn't even need him, they are just that arrogant and full of entitlement they genuinely can't believe a player would turn them down and it clearly still rattles them to this very day,

 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Geogaddi

[gbandit]

I’ve got little respect for most Man U fans but I don’t really see the issue with them singing about Shearer. What has NUFC been to them in the last thirty years? Only for a short period did we challenge them and we had a player who chose us over them. That’s literally all they have to go off for three decades really

[Froggy]

13 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

They were quite clearly sung to antagonise and look for a reaction safely thinking they’d have back up. Ain’t my fault you didn’t have better songs to work with. Cheer up Alan Shearer only has one intention surely?

 

Meant to wind up of course, but they're relatively harmless. Shearer was covering a game of ours last year and the fans sang it to him and he took it in good spirits and he is the one it's aimed at.

 

 

 

[Shadow Puppets]

I couldn’t give two fucks about Man Utd fans. Every club has a high percentage of absolute whoppers. We certainly do, as evidenced at Wembley.

[geordiesteve710]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Meant to wind up of course, but they're relatively harmless. Shearer was covering a game of ours last year and the fans sang it to him and he took it in good spirits and he is the one it's aimed at.

 

 

 

For the vast majority yes, but there's also enough that run up to you, getting in your faces, arms outstretched. It's the same every year at Old Trafford and always when it's safety in numbers. One of your fans we were speaking to summed it up "there's cretins in every fan base and they're the ones in ours."

[Froggy]

Just now, geordiesteve710 said:

For the vast majority yes, but there's also enough that run up to you, getting in your faces, arms outstretched. It's the same every year at Old Trafford and always when it's safety in numbers. One of your fans we were speaking to summed it up "there's cretins in every fan base and they're the ones in ours."

 

Oh believe me I am not saying we don't have a huge amount of absolute twats in our fanbase.  I just don't think the Shearer song should be lumped in with people trying to incite a row.

 

I actually got into a row with a couple of fans of ours the other day because I say the "Joel Glazer is gonna die" chant is pathetic.  

[1964]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Anyone that wishes those sort of owners on any club has mental issues like and should take a long, hard look at themselves. Well aware we had cunts in our fanbase that enjoyed Ashley sucking the soul out of your club, but I don't think any real football fan took any enjoyment from that. It should be the same with the Glazers. 

 

I don't think any club is uncatchable anymore though. Eventually every club in England will be owned by foreign billionaires and the league will be a free for all.

Correct me if I'm wrong but is it the running of the club that is the issue with the glazers?   They seem to have invested money in the squad.  3 of your players were the same price as our entire squad at the weekend.  I'm not close enough to know so happy to be corrected

[geordiesteve710]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Anyone that wishes those sort of owners on any club has mental issues like and should take a long, hard look at themselves. Well aware we had cunts in our fanbase that enjoyed Ashley sucking the soul out of your club, but I don't think any real football fan took any enjoyment from that. It should be the same with the Glazers. 

 

I don't think any club is uncatchable anymore though. Eventually every club in England will be owned by foreign billionaires and the league will be a free for all.

I don't wish owners like the Glazers on any club and if I did it wouldn't be out of spite but more self-interest.

 

Man Utd with billionaire owners would make the bundesliga look competitive which would be (in the words of the OP) terrible for football as well.

[geordiesteve710]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Oh believe me I am not saying we don't have a huge amount of absolute twats in our fanbase.  I just don't think the Shearer song should be lumped in with people trying to incite a row.

 

I actually got into a row with a couple of fans of ours the other day because I say the "Joel Glazer is gonna die" chant is pathetic.  

It's factually correct though, we're all gonna die one day

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, geordiesteve710 said:

It's factually correct though, we're all gonna die one day

 

 

The chant says "how we'll kill him I don't know, cut him up from head to toe." It's absolutely shite craic. I proper cringe when I hear it.

[geordiesteve710]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

The chant says "how we'll kill him I don't know, cut him up from head to toe." It's absolutely shite craic. I proper cringe when I hear it.

Well I wasn't aware of that bit. Aye, probably a bit much that like.

[jack j]

13 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said:

Well I wasn't aware of that bit. Aye, probably a bit much that like.

Nee different to us singing about having a party when Ashley dies

Man u fans were in plenty of our fans faces on Wembley way singing the shearer song looking for a reaction. In their eyes they've took the piss and we done fuck all.

Theyve got a far rowdier element that we do. As discussed on the other thread that probably translates into them having a better atmosphere as well

[Hovagod]

3 minutes ago, jack j said:

Nee different to us singing about having a party when Ashley dies

Man u fans were in plenty of our fans faces on Wembley way singing the shearer song looking for a reaction. In their eyes they've took the piss and we done fuck all.

Theyve got a far rowdier element that we do. As discussed on the other thread that probably translates into them having a better atmosphere as well

Oh no. They took the piss and we did fuck all.

[Froggy]

38 minutes ago, 1964 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but is it the running of the club that is the issue with the glazers?   They seem to have invested money in the squad.  3 of your players were the same price as our entire squad at the weekend.  I'm not close enough to know so happy to be corrected

 

To put it simply, yes.

 

We were arguably the biggest club in the world when the Glazers took over. We can and will always be able to spend big because of the huge revenue at the club. A lot of opposition fans see the spend and think that this is all that is required to be satisfied with your owners. It's just not the case.

 

In a nutshell, they:

• Bought the club with a leveraged buyout, saddling the club with almost £550m in loan debt, of which only £35m has been repaid 18 years later.
• Through debt repayments, dividends and "management charges" they've taken over £1.5b out of the club. Spurs new stadium cost £1b as a guide.
• They hire yes men and money men into footballing roles. We only hired a director of football last year.  There was never any concern for success, unless it was financial.
• While a fortune was spent on players, it was glorified accountants in charge of the deals. Overpaying in both fees and wages.
• Managers were never backed like people thought they were. The board blocked Mourinho signing Perisic and Alderweireld for example for £40m each but signed Maguire for £80m. Van Gaal has been very critical of the owners since leaving. Ole was a yes man and just happy to be here. Don't get me start of the Ralf debacle.
• The facilities haven't changed since they took over. Nor has the stadium which most fans agree is essentially falling apart.

There was a graph released last season or the season before showing investment from owners into their clubs. I think Chelsea were top with £500m. Newcastle were second bottom with -£20m and we were rock bottom with -£89m.

 

Look at what Sheikh Mansour has done with Man City's facilities. Did PIF not immediately make plans to upgrade your training ground? Ronaldo was quoted as saying absolutely nothing changed at the club from when he first arrived down to the same gym machines. I believe him.

 

Essentially we want the clubs money to be spent on the club, not on interest for loans used to buy the club while said buyers line their pockets with dividends every season. We've been allowed to fall massively behind our biggest rivals because the clubs hierachy is rotten.

 

A new approach seems to have been taken over the last year or two. Hiring a director of football. Hiring the manager everybody wanted who would build for the future. Signing the players he wanted and allowing him freedom. We'll see how it goes. It certainly looks like they're not going to sell now we're looking good again.

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by Froggy