Champions League 2023/2024: Group F (Newcastle, Milan, Dortmund, PSG)

[CM1961]

1 minute ago, jackyboy said:

Dortmund will already be top of the group so might play a weakened side against PSG

 

But if PSG beat them, Dortmund would drop to 2nd in the group and face tougher opposition in the next round.  They would play a team who has won their group.

 

I don't think they will play a weakened side and they won't want to lose.

[Geordie Ahmed]

3 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

Dortmund will already be top of the group so might play a weakened side against PSG

They won't top the group if they lose to PSG so they do have an incentive to avoid defeat 

[Paullow]

5 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

Dortmund will already be top of the group so might play a weakened side against PSG

Na, they know if PSG win, PSG will defo top the group, regardless of score due to H2H, so there is at least something to play for, and there isn't a perfect result to suit either side, which is a bonus, but it probably will be treated as the least important of their aforementioned 6 matches in quick succession, and to be fair, with 3 wins in a row, 2 of them away, they've kind of earned the right to do how they please.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Paullow

[LFEE]

Last night was the best away end by some distance of three UCL’s and that was before we scored before anyone asks. 

[Disco]

You’d hope with BVB more or less out of the title race in Germany and out of the cup they’d value the coming top of the group. You never know though. Even dropping half a % can be the difference. Just need to make sure we do our job and then we can have no complaints either way.

[Geordie Ahmed]

6 minutes ago, Disco said:

You’d hope with BVB more or less out of the title race in Germany and out of the cup they’d value the coming top of the group. You never know though. Even dropping half a % can be the difference. Just need to make sure we do our job and then we can have no complaints either way.

They are only a point ahead of Leipzig in 5th so they'll not be going easy in the league

 

The winter break coming a couple of games after the PSG could help in ensuring they still give it maximum attention 

[astraguy]

So aslong as we dont lose to milian we get 3rd? Can't see us losing at home tbh 

[vic]

Prize money...

Performance-based prize money (55% of total)

StagePrize Money

Winner€20m (£17.1m/$21.6m)

Runner-up€15.5m

Semifinalists€12.5m

Quarterfinalists€10.6m

Round of 16€9.6m

Group-stage wins€2.8m

Group-stage draws€930k

Reaching group stage€15.64m (£13.37m/$16.89m)

[PCW1983]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Last night was the best away end by some distance of three UCL’s and that was before we scored before anyone asks. 

Yeah, I agree. By a long way too. 

[Novocastrian]

No way Dortmund lose to PSG. Finish second and it’s Real, Barca, Man City etc. no chance. We must actually be favourites to nick second spot, put Milan to the sword and we are through.

[Keegans Export]

3 hours ago, vic said:

Prize money...

Performance-based prize money (55% of total)

StagePrize Money

Winner€20m (£17.1m/$21.6m)

Runner-up€15.5m

Semifinalists€12.5m

Quarterfinalists€10.6m

Round of 16€9.6m

Group-stage wins€2.8m

Group-stage draws€930k

Reaching group stage€15.64m (£13.37m/$16.89m)

 

So being in the group stage plus one win and two draws has earned us about £17m so far, plus three home games at a minimum should be (50,000x£60) another £9m.

 

That's £26m at the very least.

 

Isn't the TV money paid out based on coefficient or something like that? I remember reading that we'd get a relatively measly amount even if we progressed quite far.

[Matt1892]

8 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

No way Dortmund lose to PSG. Finish second and it’s Real, Barca, Man City etc. no chance. We must actually be favourites to nick second spot, put Milan to the sword and we are through.

The bookies have us at 9/4 to qualify and PSG are odds on at 9/20 favourites.

 

I agree with you though and feel it should be the other way around but I’m guessing it is due to us needing 2 results in our favour whereas PSG only need one.

[timeEd32]

21 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

 

So being in the group stage plus one win and two draws has earned us about £17m so far, plus three home games at a minimum should be (50,000x£60) another £9m.

 

That's £26m at the very least.

 

Isn't the TV money paid out based on coefficient or something like that? I remember reading that we'd get a relatively measly amount even if we progressed quite far.

 

TV money and coefficient are separate. You can add another £3.8m or so for our coefficient amount. That is irrespective of how far you advance so it won't change regardless.

 

There's also a TV pool component, which has two parts. Half is based on where you finished in the league to qualify so we get the lowest of the English teams since we finished 4th. That amounts to ~£8.5m. The other half is dependent on how far you advance. 

 

For comparison, City get ~£30M for their coefficient and ~£16m for their initial TV pool payment. 

[madras]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

 

TV money and coefficient are separate. You can add another £3.8m or so for our coefficient amount. That is irrespective of how far you advance so it won't change regardless.

 

There's also a TV pool component, which has two parts. Half is based on where you finished in the league to qualify so we get the lowest of the English teams since we finished 4th. That amounts to ~£8.5m. The other half is dependent on how far you advance. 

 

For comparison, City get ~£30M for their coefficient and ~£16m for their initial TV pool payment. 

Wonderfully corrupt system to perpetuate the hegemony of certain clubs.

 

In the unlikely event  we beat PSG in the final, had we won the same amount of games, same draws etc in the run, they would get more money.

[timeEd32]

9 minutes ago, madras said:

Wonderfully corrupt system to perpetuate the hegemony of certain clubs.

 

In the unlikely event  we beat PSG in the final, had we won the same amount of games, same draws etc in the run, they would get more money.

 

It is changing a bit when the new format begins next season.

 

Participation is going up from 25% to 27.5% of the total. Prize money is increasing from 30 to 37.5%. 

 

TV Pool and Coefficient are being combined into one grouping that will make up the remaining 35% (which is 10% less than those two combined now). But as far as I know there are no details on how they are breaking this down and if that -10% is largely shifting later round TV money into prize money (which is essentially little change) or if they are actually reducing the financial benefit to a high coefficient, which to me is the most unfair part of the current distribution.

[BonesJones]

My ultimate scenario now is for us to beat Milan, whilst PSG draw with Dortmund. Then if I'm correct, the reason PSG go out is because we smashed them at SJP?

 

Revenge.

[Pata]

15 hours ago, andycap said:

In two minds whether we should just rest players against Milan for the domestic league and cup campaign. Coz it'll be horrible us beaten Milan for psg to sneak through on that incident. 

 

Fucking hell man.

[wormy]

Why focus on staying in Europe when we could focus trying to get back in to Europe.

[Ketsbaia]

Us v Milan. Winner goes through, loser pays for Tonali.

[Ronaldo]

16 hours ago, andycap said:

In two minds whether we should just rest players against Milan for the domestic league and cup campaign. Coz it'll be horrible us beaten Milan for psg to sneak through on that incident. 

[Paullow]

The group winners are starting to look a lot clearer now

 

Group A - Bayern confirmed (anyone could finish 2nd)

Group B - Arsenal confirmed (PSV second)

Group C - Real Madrid confirmed (Napoli 2nd)

Group D - Shoot out between Inter and Sociedad, Sociedad just need a point, but Inter at home - will be confirmed before Dortmund play PSG

Group E - Shoot out between At Madrid and Lazio - AM at home and just need a point, so big favourites

Group G - Man City confirmed (Leipzig 2nd)

Group H - Barca 99.99% confirmed, 2nd either Porto or Shakhtar (Barca would have to lose to Antwerp and be a 7 goal swing with Shakhtar beating Porto)

 

So from Dortmund's perspective if they lose to Paris, they get one of Arsenal, Real Madrid, Man City, Barcelona, probably At Madrid, and one of Inter/Real Soc

If they don't lose they would get one of Copenhagen/Gala/ Man U (less likely), PSV, Napoli, Inter/Real Soc, probably Lazio, Porto/Shakhtar

 

Some decent teams who will likely be runners up, but it's clearly a massive advantage for them to top the group and draw one of the absolute favourites. I mean there will be a small chance they get a more favourable tie on paper by finishing 2nd, like say if Real Soc or Lazio won their group, but generally much more likely to get a really tough match. They won't be totally devastated if they lost, as they will have still advanced from a really tough group, but it's clearly worth their while to get something from their final game.

[ohmelads]

PSG will have that extra motivation from 'needing' a result as opposed to Dortmund. But another way of looking at it is Dortmund will have a must not lose mentality and there's greater pressure on PSG to come out and make a game of it away from home. They know we're capable of scoring a few at home so whatever's happening in our game, they'll feel they have to win. That'll leave them open to Dortmund's counters. 

[PauloGeordio]

[Decky]

I've confidence in us going through as long as we beat Milan. That PSG team would do very well to go to Dortmund and win. 

[Miercoles]

2 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

Feeling better and better about the PSG result.

 

It's one of those where it just hurts because of how it happened. If we had held on all game and equalized late we'd have been buzzing to finish 1-1.

 

Think we ought to have the tiebreaker over PSG if we end up level too. Not a huge stretch to think we could beat Milan and PSG get held by Dortmund...