Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I think one of the most frustrating aspect of this is the sheer amount of money left on the table by the lack of low hanging sponsors we somehow didn’t sign up since the takeover. 

Aye, no excuse for this imo.

[Unbelievable]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Still think it is best to judge all of this at the end of the window.  Selling Minteh doesn't rule out selling others.

 

Almiron is also a proven PL player - not a great one, but proven.  Minteh is not.

Kylian Mbappe is not PL proven whereas Paul Dummett is. Surely you can't hold it against a 19-year old who has not been part of a PL squad that he isn't PL proven if you can also consider his stats on their own merit?

[huss9]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I think one of the most frustrating aspect of this is the sheer amount of money left on the table by the lack of low hanging sponsors we somehow didn’t sign up since the takeover. 

yeah i agree.

just surprised we didnt do things like get a sponsor for the east stand  and training ground - even for a season.

there must be loads of companies worldwide that deal with PIF.

just dont send any emails.

[r0cafella]

Just now, huss9 said:

yeah i agree.

just surprised we didnt do things like get a sponsor for the east stand  and training ground - even for a season.

there must be loads of companies worldwide that deal with PIF.

just dont send any emails.

This, the training ground and the slowness regarding planning for SJP in general gives me the Impression the club is a legit investment for PIF and not a sports washing program where they will lavish billions. 
 

Time will tell of course but it’s something to keep in mind. 

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

It's exactly this.

 

We've never been in a position where we can sell an untested player for a large sum, and the fact that the money being touted is making people afraid that we're basically giving away the next Messi/Ronaldo/Mbappe.

 

If we keep him and he turns out garbage in the PL the same lot will be kicking off that we didn't cash in when we had the chance. If we keep him and he ends up awesome great...everyone's happy.

 

If we sell and he's great, then we haven't really missed out on something we never really had, but have a healthier financial position. If we sell and he's rubbish, it'll be the best decision since bringing Howe in.

 

 

 

No it's not that. I'd be happy to be selling off untested players if we had spent billions on ready made superstars. It's more that we are still relying on players who aren't good enough to progress us to the next level that makes it stick in the craw.

[OverThere]

Miggy and Murphy at RW and selling a prospect? Nope, not for me. Almiron should be gone first.

 

[huss9]

1 minute ago, OverThere said:

Miggy and Murphy at RW and selling a prospect? Nope, not for me. Almiron should be gone first.

 

no one wants him.

[Gawalls]

Just now, huss9 said:

no one wants him.

Nobody gets that on here

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

No it's not that. I'd be happy to be selling off untested players if we had spent billions on ready made superstars. It's more that we are still relying on players who aren't good enough to progress us to the next level that makes it stick in the craw.

That's a decent point, but there's virtually no guarantees he'll actually be any good in the pl. We've had several players come from the Eredivise who tore it up over there and were worse than useless here.

[Toonjam88]

A lot of people on here should stick their hats in the ring for the director of football role at Newcastle. They make it sound so easy to get rid of our deadwood they must have some top quality contacts in football. 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2024 by Toonjam88

[simonsays]

31 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The Olise level RW you are dreaming about is Miggy Almiron as things stand currently. What narks me is that some of us were thinking Minteh might at least provide a better option for the RW as an upgrade to Miggy.

That's why is said 'if'.  

 

I'm sure Minteh may be a better option than Almiron, but noone seems to want to buy any of our other fringe players and we need some FFP wriggle room, so he may have to go.  FWIW I dont thing anyone on here wants to sell him, it's out of necessity.

[christ]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

I think the particular grievance in this case is the players we’ve been linked with since, people are interpreting this as sell someone with high potential to bring in mid table players who won’t improve much and will be depth/rotation options. 

That’s an overly simplistic way of looking at it because of the way FFP works.
 

But even accepting that statement as true, we need to raise the floor as well as the ceiling. Last season our biggest issue was squad depth - the existence of it or quality of it. If we’re serious about competing we need a bigger pool of Premier League ready players. 

[Fezzle]

56 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, no excuse for this imo.

Really don't understand if we are needing to sell why this training gear/ground sponsor wasn't rushed through, makes no sense we didn't do anything January too for that matter. Got to admit id probably take a chance on minteh til Jan at least rather than sacrifice him for a replacement. The idea he might turn out great but we lose our due to not being Chelsea and fudging it

[Abacus]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

How much has getting knocked out of the groups in the CL fucked us here? I never know what the accountancy periods are but is that one of the reasons we’re in trouble?

Probably a bit - we'd have had a bit more money and it would have counted in this year, but if the gaps guesstimated at by Swiss Ramble are close to accurate it's unlikely to have gone the whole way had we survived another round or two (not to even get into coefficient payments and all that). 

 

Maybe Tonali was ironically a bit of a gamble in that respect, hoping for a bit of further progression in the CL and the PL. 

 

Pure guess, but we may have been thinking of a couple of low level sales of fringe players in Jan more than CL progression as a back up, if we were likely to be at the edge or slightly over it. But then nobody could have guessed at what happened or our injury crisis either, meaning any fringe sale would become an even greater risk.

 

Minteh seems a talent alright and if so I'd hate not to be able to give him a chance, but so did Kuol and, without wanting to write him off already, I'd guess this was always part of the strategy too.

[STM]

42 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said:

A lot of people on here should stick their hats in the ring for the director of football role at Newcastle. They make it sound so easy to get rid of our deadwood they must have some top quality contacts in football. 

 

 

 

 

Spot on. Absolutely insane how easy people make it sound.

[Fezzle]

20 minutes ago, christ said:

That’s an overly simplistic way of looking at it because of the way FFP works.
 

But even accepting that statement as true, we need to raise the floor as well as the ceiling. Last season our biggest issue was squad depth - the existence of it or quality of it. If we’re serious about competing we need a bigger pool of Premier League ready players. 

There's also ffp allocations for 10-15 players due next season already we need to account for. Depressing stuff to be honest and am actually ok with the players we are going for

[KaKa]

2 hours ago, gdm said:

Very much this. If selling minteh allows us to bring in real top class winger I’ll suck it up. If it’s done to bring in DCL i just can’t get excited about it 

 

PSR is done in three year cycles. This June 30th is the end of a 3 year cycle. Selling Minteh is to pass the current 3 year cycle of PSR. Doing the deal with Everton also helps them do the same, while also getting a player the club value in DCL. We are not selling Minteh in order to buy DCL!

 

This then means from July our spending power opens up again and gives us another 3 years of time to make sure we fall within PSR, and so we can spend quite freely and have a much longer time period to balance the books etc, which will include getting more commercial deals and all that stuff.

 

Having then passed the current PSR period, it will mean from July 1st we can spend a pretty significant amount of money, depending on how much the club has decided to budget for the summer, and how much they want to push the boat out.

 

Again, we are not selling Minteh, in order to spend the funds on DCL!

 

 

[Fezzle]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

PSR is done in three year cycles. This June 30th is the end of a 3 year cycle. Selling Minteh is to pass the current 3 year cycle of PSR. Doing the deal with Everton also helps them do the same, while also getting a player the club value in DCL. We are not selling Minteh in order to buy DCL!

 

This then means from July our spending power opens up again and gives us another 3 years of time to make sure we fall within PSR, and so we can spend quite freely and have a much longer time period to balance the books etc, which will include getting more commercial deals and all that stuff.

 

Having then passed the current PSR period, it will mean from July 1st we can spend a pretty significant amount of money, depending on how much the club has decided to budget for the summer, and how much they want to push the boat out.

 

Again, we are not selling Minteh, in order to spend the funds on DCL!

 

 

Yeah thats bollocks. It's not separate 3 year cycles it's rolling. Guess the obscure Romanian bloggers you count as journalists didn't explain that one

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

Yeah thats bollocks. It's not separate 3 year cycles it's rolling. Guess the obscure Romanian bloggers you count as journalists didn't explain that one

 

Please explain then.

[Fezzle]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Please explain then.

You don't understand the word rolling? So 22, 23,24 is one block. Next year it's 23,24,25 . It's seriously not difficult. Did you sleep through forest and Everton getting done?

[Eveready]

As much as I don't like this move, we're slightly bent over a barrel here with needing to sell before the end of June.

 

No one is going to rush a move for Almiron or Longstaff before the end of June, so the only real options are creative moves like this, allowing players to leave at a discounted price to rush the deal through, or selling a star player like Isak or Bruno.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

You don't understand the word rolling? So 22, 23,24 is one block. Next year it's 23,24,25 . It's seriously not difficult. Did you sleep through forest and Everton getting done?

 

 

Fair enough. Now guys, if you're going to deliver shots like this when I misunderstand something, please no complaining when I do it in future, okay? Because for some reason no one remembers this when I do it!

 

Okay so we won't have another 3 years of leeway, but still it opens up bit more time, and the Minteh money is not being swallowed up by the money spent on DCL, because they don't count against the PSR in the same way, correct?

[Away Toon]

The french press have Marseille, Roma and Everton in for Minteh. I've an idea how to get around the PSR problem by the end of the month. Sell Tonali for 30m back to Italy, we won't have missed anything as apart from one game he was at best average and the rest of the time suspended.  And the fucker hasn't apologised.

[Eveready]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

 

Fair enough. Now guys, if you're going to deliver shots like this when I misunderstand something, please no complaining when I do it in future, okay? Because for some reason no one remembers this when I do it!

 

Okay so we won't have another 3 years of leeway, but still it opens up bit more time, and the Minteh money is not being swallowed up by the money spent on DCL, because they don't count against the PSR in the same way, correct?

We'll be able to bank the net profit of the Minteh sale all in the current accounting year (selling price minus current remaining c.£6m remaining net book value).

 

I believe the amortisation of players transfer fees can probably be calculated daily so if we sign him on June 30th we'll only day 1 day of 5 years of his transfer fee amortised in this accounting year (1/1,825th of the transfer fee).

[Eveready]

Just now, Eveready said:

We'll be able to bank the net profit of the Minteh sale all in the current accounting year (selling price minus current remaining c.£6m remaining net book value).

 

I believe the amortisation of players transfer fees can probably be calculated daily so if we sign him on June 30th we'll only day 1 day of 5 years of his transfer fee amortised in this accounting year (1/1,825th of the transfer fee).

So if we sell Minteh for £37m and sign DCL for the same value the impact in our current financial year would be:

+£37m from Minteh sale

-£6m from Minteh's remaining net book value

-£0.02m from 1 day of £37m DCL's transfer fee amortised over 5 years

£30.98m Net profit