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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


I don’t see it as being pro punishment, I see it as wanting what is best for the success of this football club and us trying to manoeuvre against an already difficult situation that is designed to stop us being able to compete.

 

If the best thing for our short term success is him being sacked and pursued in court then that is what we should do.

 

What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him.

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


There is, as people get reduced sentences if they acknowledge they have an addiction. 

 

I mean there has to be some form of addiction as he has broken rules knowingly due to his inability to resist the temptation. 

Where the grey area is, is if he has willingly broken the rules because he thought he could get away with it easily and could have stopped gambling at any moment. But i imagine the truth is somewhere inbetween. 

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We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

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1 minute ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

"He has to be terminated." I assume you mean his contract (as opposed to him personally).

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1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him.


I don’t think for a moment we would sack him unless we were confident of being able to either sue him or Milan for the loss of transfer fee, which is what Chelsea did with Mutu.

 

If we were in a position where we could sue him which would see the transfer fee adjusted on the outgoings sheet then it should be something we should be exploring, this Will obviously depend on the length of the ban but he could be looking at an 18 month ban here.

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8 minutes ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

 

If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold.

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8 minutes ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.


I know we are trying to piece bits together with the information that has been leaked but that lad who has been banned for 7 months, apparently he turned himself in to the authorities due to the financial mess he had got himself in to and hadn’t been betting on football.

 

Tonali on the other hand didn’t turn himself in, instead the police went to the national team hotel and confiscated his phone and tablet, then it is alleged he bet on games he was playing in.

 

This might not be exact but this is the information that has been leaking out, if it is true then no way is he going to get the same ban as the other lad.

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9 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold.

True. This is how AA and GA works well with the aid of sponsors, people with the same lived experiences. He’d be in a position to teach others of the pitfalls and warning signs of addiction 

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5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Wondering what? That he's bet against us days after all this has come out? :lol:

 

Come on man.

 

His mental state given all that's gone on is a different matter though and one only he and probably Howe will be able to make the call on collectively. 

People will wonder , for all we know you can bet your bottom dollar his actions will be checked here, do you not think some people will be asking the same question about Ivan Toney when he returns? doubts will always be there.

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26 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:


I don’t think for a moment we would sack him unless we were confident of being able to either sue him or Milan for the loss of transfer fee, which is what Chelsea did with Mutu.

 

If we were in a position where we could sue him which would see the transfer fee adjusted on the outgoings sheet then it should be something we should be exploring, this Will obviously depend on the length of the ban but he could be looking at an 18 month ban here.

 

Lot's of ifs and buts there. Given the current state of play, with what we know, it'd be daft to sack him.

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Just now, The Prophet said:

 

Lot's of ifs and buts there. Given the current state of play, with what we know, it'd be daft to sack him.


The whole thread is ifs and buts, in the same way it is daft to defend him without knowing the extent of the ban or what he has done.

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3 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

People will wonder , for all we know you can bet your bottom dollar his actions will be checked here, do you not think some people will be asking the same question about Ivan Toney when he returns? doubts will always be there.

If he really is an addict it would be nieve to think he isn't atleast itching to text a mate to stick an accy on like :lol:

 

You would hope that if he is addicted, this is rock bottom, and has caused something to click, but continuing to gamble even after being caught wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

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