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Like we don't need to treat him with kid gloves, he's fucked us with his behaviour, but the best thing for both parties is to support him the best we can and get him ready for when his ban ends. He should want to repay the club and hopefully comes back all the better for it.

 

As bad as the whole situation is, it's good he's been caught before things potentially spiral further out of hand, hopefully there's a bit of sense from the FA/ FIFA and they don't just ruin his entire career.

 

 

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I'm guessing his ban length announcement is taking some time to come out as our legal team is in full swing. I'm hoping so many loops with different FAs, country rules etc... Are causing issues for them to give him something that can't be challenged at CAS level....and we have form.

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1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Well yeah if he is genuinely a gambling addict that's sort of the point.

 

It's an annoying situation and Tonali bears responsibility for his actions, which I'm sure he's very aware of atm, but some of these comments just don't align with reality.

 

Nobody in their right mind is going to open up to a potential employer about all of their darkest secrets, especially an addict.

 

Treating him with vitriol is pointless at best. He's fucked up, it's cost us, we all move on.

 

 

 

 

Completely take your point on board, but I guess I'm just pissed we're in the best position we've been in for years, and one of our players knowingly came here bringing a fuck load of baggage he was fully aware of.

 

My main hope is that it has absolutely no affect on the great start we've made and the rest of the team and club as a whole. 

 

I'll give it a rest now and await the outcome.

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19 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Regarding the sacking discussion. I know as a country we're a very pro-punishment when it comes to unlawful behaviour, but I just don't see the upside in terminating his contract.

 

Firstly the personal side. The lad is either an addict who needs rehabilitation or he's made a huge error of judgement, aged 23. He's now going to be punished with a long ban from from a profession with a short shelf-life and a permanent black mark against his name. I know he's in an extremely privileged industry, but to me at least, it still seems adequate. Given how introverted he appears, I imagine he's punishing himself more than anybody else right now. It definetly seems like a do the time, learn and come back stronger type scenario rather than further reprisal.

 

Taking the human element away and looking from the clubs perspective, you probably have to view it like a long-term injury. It's extremely unfortunate, but it's only a year of a five year contract. We've invested a huge sum of money in him, that we're unlikely to see again. We'd be foolish to write off the entire investment out of nothing more than anger and retaliation, when there's still so much potential upside when the lad gets back on the pitch.


I don’t see it as being pro punishment, I see it as wanting what is best for the success of this football club and us trying to manoeuvre against an already difficult situation that is designed to stop us being able to compete.

 

If the best thing for our short term success is him being sacked and pursued in court then that is what we should do.

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


I don’t see it as being pro punishment, I see it as wanting what is best for the success of this football club and us trying to manoeuvre against an already difficult situation that is designed to stop us being able to compete.

 

If the best thing for our short term success is him being sacked and pursued in court then that is what we should do.

 

What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him.

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1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:


There is, as people get reduced sentences if they acknowledge they have an addiction. 

 

I mean there has to be some form of addiction as he has broken rules knowingly due to his inability to resist the temptation. 

Where the grey area is, is if he has willingly broken the rules because he thought he could get away with it easily and could have stopped gambling at any moment. But i imagine the truth is somewhere inbetween. 

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We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

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1 minute ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

"He has to be terminated." I assume you mean his contract (as opposed to him personally).

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1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him.


I don’t think for a moment we would sack him unless we were confident of being able to either sue him or Milan for the loss of transfer fee, which is what Chelsea did with Mutu.

 

If we were in a position where we could sue him which would see the transfer fee adjusted on the outgoings sheet then it should be something we should be exploring, this Will obviously depend on the length of the ban but he could be looking at an 18 month ban here.

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8 minutes ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.

 

If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold.

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8 minutes ago, James said:

We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms.

 

what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg.

 

we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated.


I know we are trying to piece bits together with the information that has been leaked but that lad who has been banned for 7 months, apparently he turned himself in to the authorities due to the financial mess he had got himself in to and hadn’t been betting on football.

 

Tonali on the other hand didn’t turn himself in, instead the police went to the national team hotel and confiscated his phone and tablet, then it is alleged he bet on games he was playing in.

 

This might not be exact but this is the information that has been leaking out, if it is true then no way is he going to get the same ban as the other lad.

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9 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold.

True. This is how AA and GA works well with the aid of sponsors, people with the same lived experiences. He’d be in a position to teach others of the pitfalls and warning signs of addiction 

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5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Wondering what? That he's bet against us days after all this has come out? :lol:

 

Come on man.

 

His mental state given all that's gone on is a different matter though and one only he and probably Howe will be able to make the call on collectively. 

People will wonder , for all we know you can bet your bottom dollar his actions will be checked here, do you not think some people will be asking the same question about Ivan Toney when he returns? doubts will always be there.

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