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3 minutes ago, BeloEmre said:

Those right backs wouldn’t worry much when ASM is lying on the threatment table though.

 

Was more in reference to people saying Barnes is a clear step up to Maxi when he's not. 

 

But yes, fitness will always be his major flaw but that's not a reflection on the quality he has as a player.

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Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Literally a Leicester fan in that thread saying he's a one trick pony tbf :lol:

Ffs [emoji38] definitely sour grapes after relegation.

 

Still, just can't see a player who bags all types of goals and assists is one trick. Sure, he probs cuts inside a lot, but so does Maxi.

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Exactly. As soon as Barnes bangs a few goals, which he will, then these people defending ASM will quickly forget him. It’s how football works. Fickle.

 

Loved ASM for us, but 12 goals in 112 games for his position is an awful return, hence why the club are upgrading on him.

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Maxi is a much more talented player than Barnes, in the traditional sense. His quickness of feet is only bettered by players like Salah.

 

Sadly, football is played on a pitch and not in a circus. You wouldn't argue that ASM is better than say Martinelli? But there are things Maxi can do that Martinelli couldn't.

 

It's about the whole package. Barnes represents a much better package than ASM. He's more productive, more reliable, more malleable. He's very much an Eddie Howe player.

 

I don't want it to turn too much into a maxi bashing session because we all have a soft spot for him but the writing is on the wall IMO.

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The only wide players from the top six sides with more goals than him last season are Salah, Rashford, Martinelli and Saka.

 

If he gets in to double figures with us next season and we finish top six he will be raved about.

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4 minutes ago, Toon88 said:

Exactly. As soon as Barnes bangs a few goals, which he will, then these people defending ASM will quickly forget him. It’s how football works. Fickle.

 

Loved ASM for us, but 12 goals in 112 games for his position is an awful return, hence why the club are upgrading on him.

 

The irony of this post being Maxi's single handedly saved us from relegation twice and this has been forgotten after one sketchy season.

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18 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

True but his stats are genuinely awful otherwise. I think Maxi is a far more talented player who offers more creatively and unsettling teams defensively.

 

I don't mind Barnes as a player but he's the ultimate one trick pony. 

 

 

 

And could it not be argued that in about 85% of his games for us, ASM has been an ineffectual Show Pony?

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1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

These journalists really do need new headline writers mind.

That’s half the problem. They regularly say they’re not writing the headline just the content.

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9 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Ffs [emoji38] definitely sour grapes after relegation.

 

Still, just can't see a player who bags all types of goals and assists is one trick. Sure, he probs cuts inside a lot, but so does Maxi.

 

Remember Newcastle fans about Wijnaldum, can only play at home, etc. Amazing for Liverpool under a top manager. 

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13 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

And could it not be argued that in about 85% of his games for us, ASM has been an ineffectual Show Pony?

All statistics are made up - 73.6% of the population knows that

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12 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

And could it not be argued that in about 85% of his games for us, ASM has been an ineffectual Show Pony?

Honestly what were you watching? Maxi setting up Joelinton etc to fuck it up isn’t being a ‘show pony’ 

 

we can absolutely say injuries have hindered him and we can absolutely say howe has tried to get him to adapt which has made him far less direct but to call him a show pony is ridiculous 

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ASM is in literally the top 1-10% of players in Europe's top leagues for assists, expected assists, carries, succesful take ons and runs and passes into the penalty area, shot and goal creating actions per 90, and all despite having an injury ravaged season. No end product is the opposite of his problem, it's a strength.

 

Ironically, I think his biggest problem last season is not being greedy enough. He's hardly taken any shots himself.

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3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

ASM is in literally the top 1-10% of players in Europe's top leagues for assists, expected assists, carries, succesful take ons and runs and passes into the penalty area, shot and goal creating actions per 90, and all despite having an injury ravaged season. No end product is the opposite of his problem, it's a strength.

 

Ironically, I think his biggest problem last season is not being greedy enough. He's hardly taken any shots himself.

It’s almost irrelevant though if he can’t stay fit.

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