Nucasol Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Toon88 said: -Hall-Botman-Todibo-Livramento- Future defence ? Would be D.Lighted with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Like Curtis Jones actually gets minutes for Liverpool. He’s a proper member of the squad. in Curtis Jones first season as a Premier league player for Liverpool in 19/20 he had 6 appearances mostly coming off the bench. Last season was Anderson’s first PL season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: That’s your understanding. I think Howe simply didn’t think he had a choice but to run our lads into the ground. He said himself Joelinton and Bruno played through injury and knocks often. If Howe thought Anderson was ready, he would get proper minutes. Even when he didn’t start, Howe would give ASM solid minutes. And the other starter was a bad performance away from ASM coming in. That wasn’t the case in midfield. It was his first season stepping up from league 2 to the Premier league. Not sure what you expect from a manager that doesn’t rush players in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 We are still clearly short in midfield. If Bruno has a season ending injury we are in crisis even now. Things are better with Tonoli of course but that would still have a massive impact on us, we couldn't brush that aside and say we are going to compete on all fronts for rest of season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, gdm said: in Curtis Jones first season as a Premier league player for Liverpool in 19/20 he had 6 appearances mostly coming off the bench. Last season was Anderson’s first PL season. Aye at the age of 18. The next season at the age of 19, for a team challenging for the title he got almost 2,000 minutes. The equivalent of 21 full games. With over half of those coming in the premier league. From the age of 19, when fit, Jones has been a proper member of that squad. Relied on to perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: Aye at the age of 18. The next season at the age of 19, for a team challenging for the title he got almost 2,000 minutes. The equivalent of 21 full games. With over half of those coming in the premier league. From the age of 19, when fit, Jones has been a proper member of that squad. Relied on to perform. Players develop a different points like, Anderson is still only 20, there is literally 0 reason why he couldn't get them minutes like Jones did this next season. To say he wasn't a member of the squad last season is just silly to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye at the age of 18. The next season at the age of 19, for a team challenging for the title he got almost 2,000 minutes. The equivalent of 21 full games. With over half of those coming in the premier league. From the age of 19, when fit, Jones has been a proper member of that squad. Relied on to perform. So? Anderson’s development is slower than Jones that’s all you are telling me there. There wasn’t a chance Howe was gonna throw him in too much in his first season stepping up from league 2. The fact he even kept him around rather than loaning him out to a slightly lower level should indicate he’s very much part of Howe’s plans Edited July 21, 2023 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Chris L said: The academy has been neglected for years. Due to previous owners. So there won’t be a huge pool of talent there at the minute. give it a few years and that should change. That isn’t the point I’m making. If you have players that you believe do have the potential then they should be given a chance when the time comes, which is the point with Anderson and Miley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Hall has played centre mid/left midfield all the way through youth level btw. Only switched to left back when he got into the first team. Versatile, even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Can I sit somewhere in the middle of this argument? I hope Anderson comes good, I think a loan last season may have been better than him staying but with shortness in midfield he probably had to stay. I think realistically though I am not sure he is going to make it, we need home grown players coming in but is he really going to come close to Bruno and Tonoli's level that he can even adequately deputise? Hope so but it is a high bar, and unless he improves he's not going to avoid players being brought in to play ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, The Prophet said: i’ve mentioned Lewis Hall loads of times on here He’s a brilliant talent - would be over the moon if we got him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Mikky said: i’ve mentioned Lewis Hall loads of times on here He’s a brilliant talent - would be over the moon if we got him Me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: We might as well sack the academy off now if we are never going to have the faith in youngsters to give them any game time. We are building the academy as it wasn’t fit for purpose. Give it time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, reefatoon said: We are building the academy as it wasn’t fit for purpose. Give it time You’ve missed the point in the debate. If we have players that the club think have the ability to have a future here, then we have to have the faith to give them game time. Signing another midfielder who will either be sixth choice or a better player to push Longstaff further down the pecking order isn’t going to help players break through in to the first team. This isn’t about the quality of the players in the academy, it’s about being prepared to have faith in them to give them opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, gdm said: It was his first season stepping up from league 2 to the Premier league. Not sure what you expect from a manager that doesn’t rush players in 7 minutes ago, 54 said: Players develop a different points like, Anderson is still only 20, there is literally 0 reason why he couldn't get them minutes like Jones did this next season. To say he wasn't a member of the squad last season is just silly to be honest. I’m not talking about my opinion on the lad. I’m looking at Howe’s past decisions, current decisions to predict his future decisions. Anderson was the footballing equivalent of the 6th/7th man in our midfield but instead of using him, Howe chose to stick with what was already out there. He didn’t trust him or consider him ready for real responsibility. 20% of his PL minutes came in a dead rubber. Another 20% came with an injury crisis. For his own development he needs real minutes. I don’t see Howe giving him the minutes he needs unless Howe says otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I don't think Anderson was even that short on football last season tbh. Featured in 27 games averaging 23 minutes an appearance. Obviously some of those were brief bench appearances but he was hardly starved of action, he had a genuine role in both a cup run and a Champions League push. He'll feature plenty again this season, surrounded by incredible quality on the training pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I don't think Anderson was even that short on football last season tbh. Featured in 27 games averaging 23 minutes an appearance. Obviously some of those were brief bench appearances but he was hardly starved of action, he had a genuine role in both a cup run and a Champions League push. He'll feature plenty again this season, surrounded by incredible quality on the training pitch. Spot on. It’ll now be his 2nd season with more games he’ll get more minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I don't think Anderson was even that short on football last season tbh. Featured in 27 games averaging 23 minutes an appearance. Obviously some of those were brief bench appearances but he was hardly starved of action, he had a genuine role in both a cup run and a Champions League push. He'll feature plenty again this season, surrounded by incredible quality on the training pitch. You've just summed it up perfectly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I don't think Anderson was even that short on football last season tbh. Featured in 27 games averaging 23 minutes an appearance. Obviously some of those were brief bench appearances but he was hardly starved of action, he had a genuine role in both a cup run and a Champions League push. He'll feature plenty again this season, surrounded by incredible quality on the training pitch. gonna be the 3rd in a row to say spot on Edited July 21, 2023 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Doku would be an interesting alternative to St Max and younger. Him and Todibo would complete the window nicely. We’ll dominate possession with Tonali and Bruno but think we’ll still struggle to break teams down and need something different in final third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, Tiresias said: We are still clearly short in midfield. If Bruno has a season ending injury we are in crisis even now. Things are better with Tonoli of course but that would still have a massive impact on us, we couldn't brush that aside and say we are going to compete on all fronts for rest of season Were not short in midfield at all. Even less so in Livramento signs AND Howe thinks he can do RWF of (a front 3) We've 11 for 5, many who can play various roles within that 5 As for losing Bruno with a long term (God forbid) there isn't one team in this league would "brush aside" losing a talisman. Not one. Man City could override losing KDB but they're out of our stratosphere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said: Were not short in midfield at all. Even less so in Livramento signs AND Howe thinks he can do RWF of (a front 3) We've 11 for 5, many who can play various roles within that 5 As for losing Bruno with a long term (God forbid) there isn't one team in this league would "brush aside" losing a talisman. Not one. Man City could override losing KDB but they're out of our stratosphere. that's my take on it as well - i think he'll play Livramento in RWF and Barnes on t'other with the two of them creating problems for teams that sit back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 45 minutes ago, Mikky said: i’ve mentioned Lewis Hall loads of times on here He’s a brilliant talent - would be over the moon if we got him Don’t think it will happen. I have seen Chelsea fans say they would be furious if he was sold and I’m sure they have activated a extra year on his contract Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: We don’t play with wing backs I should have said a left footed Trippier type Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiresias said: If Bruno has a season ending injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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