gjohnson Posted Tuesday at 15:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:11 58 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said: Man City did us out of three CBs in one window? Sickna that. At least it bodes well for our scouting I suppose How? No original thought and just copying what the "best" do? I'd rather lose a player 20 clubs have identified who signs for City and find one no one spotted to make them think "wtf were we doing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunk Moreland Posted Tuesday at 15:17 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:17 Just now, gjohnson said: How? No original thought and just copying what the "best" do? I'd rather lose a player 20 clubs have identified who signs for City and find one no one spotted to make them think "wtf were we doing" Aye I'm sure that's how our transfers work. Mitchell just sits refreshing Twitter to see who City are linked to and puts a cheeky bid in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:19 22 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: But either the players are worth it or they aren't, there's no reason to wait on signing a CB, we offered over £50m for Guehi. The issue is that teams like Man City and Chelsea are just allowed to do what they like even when they're being taken to court apparently. Yes and if we had signed Guehi we would have needed to panic sell before the end of June 2025 to avoid being in breach in that PSR period. Of course we have to wait and monitor to see how much we have to spend at any given time...its a constantly changing equation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:21 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:21 32 minutes ago, Zero said: Sorry, I don’t believe it. We have the Guehi budget, or we can structure a deferred deal like the Hall one if we want to. We aren’t THAT close to the ceiling, even unable to offer 30m for a position we badly need reinforcement. These stories don’t feel right to me. I hope it’s just bollocks from lazy journalism. If that’s genuinely sourced from the club then it does smell like bullshit expectation managmenet We didn't have the Guehi budget. It's been confirmed multiple times in the press. And there's no guarantee that a selling club would want to accept a deferred sale in the same manner as Hall. You have no idea how close or not we are to being able to afford a 30 million signing. The fact that zero clubs in the PL have made a 30 million plus signing with the exception of Man City should tell you all you need to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted Tuesday at 15:26 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:26 Just now, jonny1403 said: Yes and if we had signed Guehi we would have needed to panic sell before the end of June 2025 to avoid being in breach in that PSR period. Of course we have to wait and monitor to see how much we have to spend at any given time...its a constantly changing equation. So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:29 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. Numerous sources have confirmed that we would have needed to sell before June 2025 if we had bought Guehi. George Caulkin, the Athletic etc. I don't know what else to tell you if you don't believe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:31 4 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: So during the same window we'd just panick sold 2 players and apparently learned our lesson, we were bidding for other players without any plan, and knowing we'd be in the same situation within a year? I find it hard to believe like. Ultimately when City come in for a player we're out of the race, we're stunted by PSR but this just seems like a but of PR to highlight the disparity. I also don't see how it's hard to believe that City are able to sign that player and we aren't. They sold Alvarez for 70 million last summer and made 50 million from other sales. They were in the best PSR position in the league by a country mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted Tuesday at 15:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:33 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: Numerous sources have confirmed that we would have needed to sell before June 2025 if we had bought Guehi. George Caulkin, the Athletic etc. I don't know what else to tell you if you don't believe that. It's not that I don't believe we'd have to sell, although I wouldn't take any of them for gospel, it's that we'd be 'panic selling'. I cannot imagine us going for Guehi without a pretty concrete plan. Edited Tuesday at 15:33 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted Tuesday at 15:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:36 We will learn a lot when the new accounts come out. We're now dealing with such old information, but the numbers are there and the math can be done. I don't know why every news article drums up another cycle of how do we have no money? I know it feels like an eternity since we bought anyone, but this is actually the first PSR cycle where we haven't done much. We didn't buy in January 2024 because we spent a lot (too much) in the summer of 2023, which we then had to offset in June. When I did the math in the summer I (very roughly) estimated we were at about 79% for UEFA's cost control metric. We need to be under 70%. UEFA runs on a calendar year so if we qualify for Europe then every day of 2025 is relevant. UEFA's rolling three-year acceptable losses are also more strict in terms of the limit than the PLs. The plus side for UEFA's rules is the punishments have at least some transparency (escalating fines) and historically have been comparatively lenient. The wild card in all of this is the uncertainty over what the PL rules will be for 2025/26, and it's not clear to me if the clubs even know exactly what they are working towards. If it is that 70% number to match UEFA then are you getting a point deduction if you are at 71%? Or is it only fines until 80%? Or is it the black box it is now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted Tuesday at 15:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:36 3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: I also don't see how it's hard to believe that City are able to sign that player and we aren't. They sold Alvarez for 70 million last summer and made 50 million from other sales. They were in the best PSR position in the league by a country mile. Again, I don't think PSR is the reason they've went to City. I think we're using those moves as PR. As I said I don't think that article makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:40 6 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: It's not that I don't believe we'd have to sell, although I wouldn't take any of them for gospel, it's that we'd be 'panic selling'. I cannot imagine us going for Guehi without a pretty concrete plan. Yep that's a good point. You'd certainly hope that we had something concrete in place to avoid a repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:41 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Again, I don't think PSR is the reason they've went to City. I think we're using those moves as PR. As I said I don't think that article makes sense. City are the only club in the league that have made a signing for more than 20 million. I think it's pretty clear they are the only club that have the flexibility to spend large amounts without worrying about what happens in the summer. I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted Tuesday at 15:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:43 5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: We will learn a lot when the new accounts come out. We're now dealing with such old information, but the numbers are there and the math can be done. I don't know why every news article drums up another cycle of how do we have no money? I know it feels like an eternity since we bought anyone, but this is actually the first PSR cycle where we haven't done much. We didn't buy in January 2024 because we spent a lot (too much) in the summer of 2023, which we then had to offset in June. When I did the math in the summer I (very roughly) estimated we were at about 79% for UEFA's cost control metric. We need to be under 70%. UEFA runs on a calendar year so if we qualify for Europe then every day of 2025 is relevant. UEFA's rolling three-year acceptable losses are also more strict in terms of the limit than the PLs. The plus side for UEFA's rules is the punishments have at least some transparency (escalating fines) and historically have been comparatively lenient. The wild card in all of this is the uncertainty over what the PL rules will be for 2025/26, and it's not clear to me if the clubs even know exactly what they are working towards. If it is that 70% number to match UEFA then are you getting a point deduction if you are at 71%? Or is it only fines until 80%? Or is it the black box it is now? Exactly. Last summer we needed to sell urgently to be compliant. This window we don't need to sell so we are in a better position, but we also can't buy without further sales. In the summer, we'll be in a better position still as we'll be in a new PSR window and be able to buy again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted Tuesday at 15:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:43 (edited) 3 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said: Should we really be clearing out the likes of Targett, Kelly and Longstaff? Unless we're brining in direct replacements who improve on these, we need these squad players for cover and early round cup games. It's not like our squad is well padded out. I think Longstaff is currently our only good option behind the 3 in midfield? Willock not looking convincing after the injuries, and Miley is still very young. Midfield is probably the most important position to have some cover for, as we're play with 3 of them who can get injured at any time. Edited Tuesday at 16:29 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Tuesday at 15:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:44 So many pages since I last looked. Any actual stories? I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Tuesday at 15:46 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:46 Just now, The College Dropout said: So many pages since I last looked. Any actual stories? I doubt it. We’ve made a bid for Openda from Leipzig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted Tuesday at 15:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:51 (edited) Luckily Forest rejected our bid for Elanga.. Would have been crazy to bring in Elanga only to sell Gordon/Bruno in June Edited Tuesday at 16:40 by johnny36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Tuesday at 15:52 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:52 1 minute ago, johnny36 said: Luckily Forest rejected out bid for Elanga.. Would have been crqzy to bring in Elanga only to sell Gordon/Bruno in June That was primarily to do a FFP swap deal with Anderson I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Tuesday at 15:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:54 Just now, The College Dropout said: That was primarily to do a FFP swap deal with Anderson I believe. We bid for him on deadline day, long after Anderson had been sold. Think we tried to include Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted Tuesday at 16:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:10 50 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said: Aye I'm sure that's how our transfers work. Mitchell just sits refreshing Twitter to see who City are linked to and puts a cheeky bid in. I know your trying to be ironic, but would you actually be surprised if that wasnt the case? They've got the same information and data pot we do, so the only difference is available cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted Tuesday at 16:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:14 20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: That was primarily to do a FFP swap deal with Anderson I believe. Well let's sell them Ruddy for 65m, sign Anderson back for 50m then everyone's happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted Tuesday at 16:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:15 29 minutes ago, Fak said: We’ve made a bid for Openda from Leipzig. When? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted Tuesday at 16:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:20 5 minutes ago, nufc123 said: When? Never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted Tuesday at 16:39 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:39 18 minutes ago, BeloEmre said: Never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Jesus fucking christ this thread man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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