NUFC Transfer Rumours

[SUPERTOON]

If we are shopping for a Bournemouth CB, Zabarnyi would be the better option imo.

[The Prophet]

Have a word Bruno...

 

[McCormick]

1 minute ago, Jimburst said:

 

 You not heard of PSR mate? It's the only fucking thing we talk about these days, surely you haven't missed it.

We’ve been okay so far, no? Trophy and all that. Seems like so many people are super eager to rip up and start again on a transfer policy that’s done so well for us thus far. Why? Because we had to sell Minteh and Anderson?

[christ]

RCB isn’t an area we can take a punt on potential. We need immediate strengthening. Huijsen would be a great signing.

 

 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, McCormick said:

We’ve been okay so far, no? Trophy and all that. Seems like so many people are super eager to rip up and start again on a transfer policy that’s done so well for us thus far. Why? Because we had to sell Minteh and Anderson?

Because it isn't currently sustainable. We don't have anymore Anderson's or Mintehs either it would be selling Isak Bruno Gordon or Miley for cut prices as well. 

[Keegans Export]

17 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Huijsen is proven now and very young. You don’t get to the top by taking punts that might work out. Pay the money and give him a super long contract. The CB slot is then done for the next 5-10 years. 

“We should get the NEXT Huijsen!” Is something I hear a lot and it annoys me. If we’re speaking in hypotheticals why not get the NEXT Van Dijk? Sell Isak for big money and get the NEXT Isak for 20m? I’m being flippant obviously but it still annoys me.

 

I get what you're saying but we've had a lot of success in the £30-35m bracket (assuming Transfermarkt is accurate, that's Bruno, Botman, Tino money). 

 

You could spend £50m each on RW and CB or target that £35m range, trust the scouts that brought in the above names, have another £30m to spend on a third player and trust Eddie to turn them into £50m+ players.

[SUPERTOON]

10 minutes ago, christ said:

RCB isn’t an area we can take a punt on potential. We need immediate strengthening. Huijsen would be a great signing.

 

 

I’d argue paying 50m for Huijsen would still be a punt on potential tbf.

[jack j]

Seen yeremy pino mentioned somewhere but can't find it now. Seemed quite popular last summer

[McCormick]

The only way to sustain buying and keeping the players we want is through success on the pitch. That will drive commercial revenues and allow us to try and match our competitors’ deals through APT.

 

The Brighton model has a ceiling and we’re already there. We need to break through before we lose more ground. I’m sure there’s a middle ground to be found but first and foremost we need to bring in the best young players we can (that can make a near immediate impact) or risk falling further behind.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:00 by McCormick

[Hanshithispantz]

9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I’d argue paying 50m for Huijsen would still be a punt on potential tbf.

Yeah but he's currently performing comfortably at a PL level. It's not like we'd be taking a punt on someone who might not work in this league. The potential is to be one of the best CBs in the world.

 

Hall was a bit cheaper (I thought we got him for a bargain price) but it's a similar kind of signing.

[Kid Icarus]

6ft 6 as well. He's absolutely ideal for us. 

[Robbo2]

There's something unsettling about a lad called Dean playing for Spain

[Keegans Export]

13 minutes ago, McCormick said:

The only way to sustain buying and keeping the players we want is through success on the pitch. That will drive commercial revenues and allow us to try and match our competitors’ deals through APT.

 

The Brighton model has a ceiling and we’re already there. We need to break through before we lose more ground. I’m sure there’s a middle ground to be found but first and foremost we need to bring in the best young players we can (that can make a near immediate impact) or risk falling further behind.

 

 

 

I'd argue we're already past the Brighton model and we'd already found the middle ground - I used Bruno, Botman, Tino as examples where we aren't in the sub-£20m take a punt range but £30-35m on players who have experience in both Europe and decent domestic leagues. There should be enough data, eye-test or otherwise, to make a sound assessment on those players.

 

We also have the issue that whereas our first XI might only be a couple of players away, our squad depth is still miles off. If we want to be competitive in Europe and domestically we need improved squad players pretty much across the board. It's going to be hard to get the numbers we need if we're looking at £50m or more on Huijsen, Mbeumo etc.

[KaKa]

10 hours ago, Kaizero said:

 

IMO it's more a sign of lazy journalism, as I have my doubts when it comes to how much knowledge a journalist for Goal has about youth players worldwide – beyond those already "known" due to being at "big" clubs, as well as those at "smaller" clubs who's had interest shown in them by "big" clubs.

 

Just from a Norwegian perspective, they've listed Sverre Nypan at #15 – yet in reality, Sindre Walle Egeli looks an even bigger talent. Difference between the two being that Nypan has experienced clubs like Arsenal and Man City explicitly expressing interest by inviting him to visit their facilities, which in turn has been broadly covered by national and international media. Meanwhile, Egeli (less  than 6 months Nypan's senior) has excelled in the Danish Superliga and already been given his debut for the national team. Yet, Egeli isn't even on the list...  

 

Funnily enough that Sindre Walle Egeli has been linked with us going back to the end of last year and it popped up again recently.

[Lush Vlad]

15 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Yeah but he's currently performing comfortably at a PL level. It's not like we'd be taking a punt on someone who might not work in this league. The potential is to be one of the best CBs in the world.

 

Hall was a bit cheaper (I thought we got him for a bargain price) but it's a similar kind of signing.

 

Paid a bit more attention to him since all the rave reviews and us being linked a bit more.  He looks extremely lax at times, but sort of in a good way, if that makes sense?  A bit like Schar, just casual as you like.  Plays off both feet really well and also like Schar, his passing is range is superb.

 

Centre back who wears short sleeves and gloves even when it's quite warm, though......  Maybe one for the pet hates thread.  But that's just not on  

[The Prophet]

It is a strange quirk, that clubs (previously "the big six") would rather pay a ludicrous amount of money for a player, rather than take a gamble on them for peanuts when they first arrive in the league. Obviously it reduces the risk of a dud, but the much smaller outlay offsets that.

[KaKa]

55 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Huijsen is proven now and very young. You don’t get to the top by taking punts that might work out. Pay the money and give him a super long contract. The CB slot is then done for the next 5-10 years. 

“We should get the NEXT Huijsen!” Is something I hear a lot and it annoys me. If we’re speaking in hypotheticals why not get the NEXT Van Dijk? Sell Isak for big money and get the NEXT Isak for 20m? I’m being flippant obviously but it still annoys me.

 

 

I don't understand this sort of thinking.

 

We might as well just get rid of all of the scouting and recruitment staff then, if this is what we're going to do. 

 

At some point you have to believe in and back the work they put in. 

 

Spending almost 3 times the amount he cost just last year, will not be a sustainable strategy going forward with signings, and would likely mean we continue to end up with some quality in the first team and a poor squad because we won't have enough money to improve other areas enough.

 

Not to mention that if we do buy a talented player that we like for a cheaper fee and wages, like we should have done with Huijsen last year, if they don't work out, it's far easier to fix that as the outlay isn't as damaging.

[SAK]

21 minutes ago, Robbo2 said:

There's something unsettling about a lad called Dean playing for Spain

That’s because he’s Dutch but raised in Spain.

[ponsaelius]

There's clearly merit in paying slightly more for a player once they've settled in the league and are more of a sure thing to come straight in and improve a side. That's how big clubs operate at first team level for a reason and Liverpool basically built their entire success on this as it significantly mitigates risk.

 

Not that it should be the only type of signing we make, but equally I wouldn't want to just make all our signings cheaper punts.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Huijsen would be class. Surely there's someone out there on the continent cheaper than him with roughly the same profile though. We should ask Bournemouth who they'd replace Huijsen with, save them the hassle 

 

I'm the lead up to January we were most linked with Khusanov, Bah and Ordonez at Brugge that all fit a similar profile.

 

Man City muscled in on both Khusanov and Bah. I imagine Ordonez will still be on the list and others will have been added on by the summer.

 

Ordonez at Brugge was the replacement for that Diomande at Sporting I believe, who they had previously, and who we also liked but is now very expensive. So makes sense we've been looking at this guy before he makes a bigger move.

 

 

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

There's clearly merit in paying slightly more for a player once they've settled in the league and are more of a sure thing to come straight in and improve a side. That's how big clubs operate at first team level for a reason and Liverpool basically built their entire success on this as it significantly mitigates risk.

 

Not that it should be the only type of signing we make, but equally I wouldn't want to just make all our signings cheaper punts.

 

Think Liverpool's success had more to with the players they managed to get in at much better value tbh.

 

Man United have been going big in proven the most probably, and have ended up in the dirt.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, both are good if you can afford them, surely. Pay a bit more for a better player who’s guaranteed, pay less for a prospect and hope they do the job just as well.
 

You’ll need to do both to compete for the CL probably, I can’t see all Brighton-style signings taking you to that level. 
 

Isak was expensive but he was undervalued. A £100m player available for 60. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:46 by AyeDubbleYoo

[ponsaelius]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Think Liverpool's success had more to with the players they managed to get in at much better value tbh.

 

Man United have been going big in proven the most probably, and have ended up in the dirt.

 

But Man United have also bought lots of young players from Europe too, that were supposed to represent value, that have bombed or not worked out. The culture of the club is all wrong and that's their biggest issue.

 

Buying from other PL clubs for a slightly inflated fee isn't bad transfer policy if you want to be a club that competes for titles. And to be honest with PSR squeezing the PL now there's a chance you might actually start to see that fees aren't that different.

[KaKa]

26 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I'd argue we're already past the Brighton model and we'd already found the middle ground - I used Bruno, Botman, Tino as examples where we aren't in the sub-£20m take a punt range but £30-35m on players who have experience in both Europe and decent domestic leagues. There should be enough data, eye-test or otherwise, to make a sound assessment on those players.

 

We also have the issue that whereas our first XI might only be a couple of players away, our squad depth is still miles off. If we want to be competitive in Europe and domestically we need improved squad players pretty much across the board. It's going to be hard to get the numbers we need if we're looking at £50m or more on Huijsen, Mbeumo etc.

 

Yeah, it's about finding value, which doesn't have to be some teenage kid necessarily.

 

The likes of CHO, Milenkovic, Kluivert, Gomes etc were really good signings of a decent age and experience from different leagues that were good enough and we're signed at really good value.

 

[Kaizero]

29 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Funnily enough that Sindre Walle Egeli has been linked with us going back to the end of last year and it popped up again recently.

 

Would be a great signing, and that's me saying that with the added anti-own-nationality-player bias already added to the mix  If we went for Egeli over Nypan, it'd (IMO) point towards us having a quality scouting network set-up to spot and go for the (arguably) better and more first-team-ready player of the two – rather than do what the other "big" clubs look like they're doing; chasing headlines about youngsters.