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40 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said:

Yes he has. I think players and agents know what our wage structure is and they are put off joining us as they know they could get 25% more from the other big clubs.

 

This has been our problem when trying to attract top level players. We now need to be looking for players slightly below these who may develop that have more realistic wage demands 

 

Exactly. We want to shop in this tiny pool of elite or nearly-elite players, and yet were trying to pay max £120kp/w like it's 2015, and act surprised and blindsided when players fuck us off to live in London on £210k a week. Like, haway, I realise this and I'm a known divvy. 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

 

Exactly. We want to shop in this tiny pool of elite or nearly-elite players, and yet were trying to pay max £120kp/w like it's 2015, and act surprised and blindsided when players fuck us off to live in London on £210k a week. Like, haway, I realise this and I'm a known divvy. 

 

 

 

Yep. What I was getting at yesterday. If we’ve not got the pull of ‘the 6’ despite CL football and we’re not prepared to pay what players of that caliber are getting, then we should adjust our strategy a little.
 

It doesn’t mean signing shite, but small group of targets everyone else wants and is prepared to pay more for, isn’t likely to be all that successful. Constantly being rejected and being seen as last resort if ‘the 6’ don’t want you doesn’t exactly do much for our reputation either. 

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9 hours ago, Displayname said:

Looking at our bench from most of our games last season, I think there are plenty of players who could improve our squad.

We even had 2 goalkeepers on the bench a couple of times. 

With CL we are going to need more depth, cant just go after purple players imo.

 

 

 


We saw 2nd half of last season how little our bench would contribute in a meaningful way. Ousla only one that by end of season looked like he would, but that was from being an unknown.

 

Take the bench that nearly cost us UCL final game, the lack of game changers on it.

 

Dub, Lascelles, Trippier, Kfrath, Miley, Willock, Longstaff, Osula, Wilson

 

Tragic stuff. That’s the level that needs raising and should be after multiple years into this project now. Shivers thinking about going into a UCL campaign and our 9 man bench ends up looking like:

 

Dubs, Ruddy, Botman, Trippier, Targett, Willock, Miley, Murphy, Osula

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2 minutes ago, Sibierski said:


We saw 2nd half of last season how little our bench would contribute in a meaningful way. Ousla only one that by end of season looked like he would, but that was from being an unknown.

 

Take the bench that nearly cost us UCL final game, the lack of game changers on it.

 

Dub, Lascelles, Trippier, Kfrath, Miley, Willock, Longstaff, Osula, Wilson

 

Tragic stuff. That’s the level that needs raising and should be after multiple years into this project now. Shivers thinking about going into a UCL campaign and our 9 man bench ends up looking like:

 

Dubs, Ruddy, Botman, Trippier, Targett, Willock, Miley, Murphy, Osula

 

It's insane man. Even the mackems have managed to knock out £100m of squad players in a fortnight. 

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Signing elite players who can start for us absolutely improves our bench. The new player starts and the weakest of the starting 11 goes to the bench. The starting 11 is good enough for 5th and a Caraboa cup so that weakest player is great squad depth.

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5 minutes ago, Adam P said:

Signing elite players who can start for us absolutely improves our bench. The new player starts and the weakest of the starting 11 goes to the bench. The starting 11 is good enough for 5th and a Caraboa cup so that weakest player is great squad depth.

Yes but you can't keep just signing elite players. We can't sign any elite players at all at the fuckin minute anyway. 

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13 minutes ago, Sibierski said:


We saw 2nd half of last season how little our bench would contribute in a meaningful way. Ousla only one that by end of season looked like he would, but that was from being an unknown.

 

Take the bench that nearly cost us UCL final game, the lack of game changers on it.

 

Dub, Lascelles, Trippier, Kfrath, Miley, Willock, Longstaff, Osula, Wilson

 

Tragic stuff. That’s the level that needs raising and should be after multiple years into this project now. Shivers thinking about going into a UCL campaign and our 9 man bench ends up looking like:

 

Dubs, Ruddy, Botman, Trippier, Targett, Willock, Miley, Murphy, Osula

Tragic! :mackems:

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21 minutes ago, Adam P said:

Signing elite players who can start for us absolutely improves our bench. The new player starts and the weakest of the starting 11 goes to the bench. The starting 11 is good enough for 5th and a Caraboa cup so that weakest player is great squad depth.

Ideally that's absolutely what we should do and seems to have been the strategy with Elanga and Pedro/Ekitike but as we've seen, we're competing with clubs bringing in substantially more money than us.

 

Aiming a tier below could still massively improve our depth across the board and if we're targeting players in Germany, France, Italy, maybe even the Championship, we are more likely to be the most attractive destination for those players. 

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32 minutes ago, Adam P said:

Signing elite players who can start for us absolutely improves our bench. The new player starts and the weakest of the starting 11 goes to the bench. The starting 11 is good enough for 5th and a Caraboa cup so that weakest player is great squad depth.


But there’s also the likes of Tino / Hall who raise the bench bar and can become starters quickly. Trafford is easily that, but there’s others across Europe / UK for the bench too of a similar mould. 
 

If we’re being honest, it’s probably just the CB that raises existing XI bar (replacing Schar), rest is depth and variations to how we approach games / during games. 

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1 hour ago, Adam P said:

Signing elite players who can start for us absolutely improves our bench. The new player starts and the weakest of the starting 11 goes to the bench. The starting 11 is good enough for 5th and a Caraboa cup so that weakest player is great squad depth.

Well sure, but we probably cant afford to sign 4-5 elite players this summer. Which should be the minimum that we need to fill up the squad, especially now with Longstaff being gone.

 

 

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Currently in a worse position squad wise than the end of last season. This next month is absolutely pivotal otherwise, and I’m not one to panic, the season will be a potential write off.  Squad isn’t big enough or good enough to compete across four competitions. 
 

Frustrating window so far, however despite obvious hurdles chucked our way (both internal and external), I’m genuinely shocked at how poor we’ve seem to have prepared for this ‘massive’ window. 
 

Arguably if Eddie isn’t given the tools he needs and has made very clear, I can see him potentially fucking it all off. 

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1 hour ago, Chapo said:

Can someone with photoshop skills do a Lee Charnley in heaven looking down at Andy Howe with the "you'll do for me bonny lad" text. 


Nah. 
 

That’s lame as fuck. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

Currently in a worse position squad wise than the end of last season. This next month is absolutely pivotal otherwise, and I’m not one to panic, the season will be a potential write off.  Squad isn’t big enough or good enough to compete across four competitions. 
 

Frustrating window so far, however despite obvious hurdles chucked our way (both internal and external), I’m genuinely shocked at how poor we’ve seem to have prepared for this ‘massive’ window. 
 

Arguably if Eddie isn’t given the tools he needs and has made very clear, I can see him potentially fucking it all off. 

Dear me 

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2 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

Currently in a worse position squad wise than the end of last season. This next month is absolutely pivotal otherwise, and I’m not one to panic, the season will be a potential write off.  Squad isn’t big enough or good enough to compete across four competitions. 
 

Frustrating window so far, however despite obvious hurdles chucked our way (both internal and external), I’m genuinely shocked at how poor we’ve seem to have prepared for this ‘massive’ window. 
 

Arguably if Eddie isn’t given the tools he needs and has made very clear, I can see him potentially fucking it all off. 

 

Alternatively, I think if that’s really what we got this season, Howe has no choice but to sacrifice local cup games and just focus on EPL and ECL

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2 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

Currently in a worse position squad wise than the end of last season. This next month is absolutely pivotal otherwise, and I’m not one to panic, the season will be a potential write off.  Squad isn’t big enough or good enough to compete across four competitions. 
 

Frustrating window so far, however despite obvious hurdles chucked our way (both internal and external), I’m genuinely shocked at how poor we’ve seem to have prepared for this ‘massive’ window. 
 

Arguably if Eddie isn’t given the tools he needs and has made very clear, I can see him potentially fucking it all off. 

Personally think the fault lies more with Eddie being to little flexible about the players he wants in.

I dont want us to overpay for the players he has set his sights on. 

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