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Just now, KaKa said:

Another day another set of repetitive posts from the day before about how we aren't going to get the signings we need in. So fun.

 

And we're all so glad to you have you here reminding us daily about how more switched on and clued up you are about it all. 

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Just now, KaKa said:

Another day another set of repetitive posts from the day before about how we aren't going to get the signings we need in. So fun.

 

Do you think the evidence of this window so far (and previous ones) suggests we're going to sign the players we need? If so I admire the optimism.

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Just now, southernmag said:

 

I think it's overly simplistic to explain our poor window away by blaming it on the cartel. There are reasons to suspect we're not operating well in and of ourselves. Obviously I agree the cartel are shafting us to a decent degree.

I'm not blaming the cartel, as I've repeated several times in the past everyone is looking at the same profile of player (young and can improve but make an impact on the first team) the problem with that is it's a tiny pool of players that fit that criteria. 

 

For us it's an absolute necessity, we need players with resale value because we have one of the oldest squads in the league and we have to be able to decide who we sell and when. 

 

I'm not going to dismiss your posts or flame you, your entitled to your opinion but I do believe it's very much bigger picture stuff. 

 

What would you have done differently out of interest?

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1 minute ago, southernmag said:

 

Do you think the evidence of this window so far (and previous ones) suggests we're going to sign the players we need? If so I admire the optimism.

It suggests we are putting offers in for big money. We’ll get players 

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3 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Agree, Im just starting to worry a little bit with the ST quality we will get. Not a lot of good options out there.

 

Plenty about in the major European leagues if we're willing to take a leap of faith.

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I don’t think we lose out all our targets just because the cartel clubs are in. Our willingness of not paying the market price / wages also played a big part imo. 
 

you may say the club is right to not paying over the odd - only if we are able to move on and bring in other players in accordance to our back up plans. If we are unable to do so, or just have some panic buys that does not fit Howe’s needs, then this windows’ strategy is a complete failure. 
 

40 days to go. I am confident that Nickson has compiled a long long list for the management to choose. It’s up to them to act timely and wisely now.

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I'm not blaming the cartel, as I've repeated several times in the past everyone is looking at the same profile of player (young and can improve but make an impact on the first team) the problem with that is it's a tiny pool of players that fit that criteria. 

 

For us it's an absolute necessity, we need players with resale value because we have one of the oldest squads in the league and we have to be able to decide who we sell and when. 

 

I'm not going to dismiss your posts or flame you, your entitled to your opinion but I do believe it's very much bigger picture stuff. 

 

What would you have done differently out of interest?

Excluding our keepers we dont really have that old squad.

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2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I'm not blaming the cartel, as I've repeated several times in the past everyone is looking at the same profile of player (young and can improve but make an impact on the first team) the problem with that is it's a tiny pool of players that fit that criteria. 

 

For us it's an absolute necessity, we need players with resale value because we have one of the oldest squads in the league and we have to be able to decide who we sell and when. 

 

I'm not going to dismiss your posts or flame you, your entitled to your opinion but I do believe it's very much bigger picture stuff. 

 

What would you have done differently out of interest?

 

That's very reasonable. In my opinion we need to either be quick and decisive with 'cartel targets', or go for ones they might not so readily go for. I understand and probably support the first approach, but you HAVE to be fast and pay what's required early on, or you'll miss out to the cartel. I think our club has been made to look stupid this summer in this way, and last.

 

I do have hope and some cautious optimism for the rest of this window, I'm just frustrated by what I'm seeing. I imagine Eddie is too, but feeling frustrated doesn't sign players. We need to pull finger.

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29 minutes ago, gdm said:

It is slow but if delap or Pedro chose us and signed it wouldn’t be as big an issue. The problem is 4 or 5 targets have either decided to go elsewhere or the likes of Liverpool & Man Utd have used they’d financial muscle. Trafford by all accounts was done then Burnley moved the goal posts. It’s been a really unfortunate summer but as someone on here said it’s more difficult when your targets are wanted by the elite clubs 


 

And if I won the lottery last week I wouldn’t be up this scaffolding in the pissing down rain. “If” is doing too much heavy lifting there. We couldn’t convince two young players in a World Cup year that they would benefit from more minutes and playing under Howe for a team with (supposedly) massive ambitions. They chose Chelsea, being one of a number of players in that position and the money. 
 

We ain’t selling ourselves well enough offering a competitive package. That’s a problem.

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4 minutes ago, southernmag said:

 

Do you think the evidence of this window so far (and previous ones) suggests we're going to sign the players we need? If so I admire the optimism.

 

Yes, we've been actively pursuing numerous players and clearly have money to spend.

 

Outside of the main clubs in the Prem it's been mostly quiet still for the most part, as things really haven't got moving yet.

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3 minutes ago, southernmag said:

 

That's very reasonable. In my opinion we need to either be quick and decisive with 'cartel targets', or go for ones they might not so readily go for. I understand and probably support the first approach, but you HAVE to be fast and pay what's required early on, or you'll miss out to the cartel. I think our club has been made to look stupid this summer in this way, and last.

 

I do have hope and some cautious optimism for the rest of this window, I'm just frustrated by what I'm seeing. I imagine Eddie is too, but feeling frustrated doesn't sign players. We need to pull finger.

Don’t blame you for being frustrated and concerned at all, man. I’m sure most of us are.

 

Apologies for being a bit harsh earlier.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Plenty about in the major European leagues if we're willing to take a leap of faith.

In the big leagues, are there plenty with the quality we need? Serie A almost nothing, La liga not many, Ligue 1 got Kalimuendo, Bundes ones are going to Liverpool and Bayern.

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17 minutes ago, southernmag said:

Here's another unpopular opinion - "there are very few players out there that can improve us" is a weak cover for "our list of targets is unoriginal/too restrictive and we take too long to move for them anyway".


Brother, what are you on about? 


That’s not an “unpopular opinion,” it’s just lazy criticism dressed up as insight. The idea that “there are very few players who can improve us” isn’t some convenient excuse it’s the literal reality of trying to strengthen a top-level squad. When you're operating at the sharp end, marginal gains cost serious money and require precision ffs.


Calling the shortlist “unoriginal” completely misses the point too. Every major club in the world is after the same handful of elite talents. There’s no secret wonderlist no one else knows about. If a player really is good enough to improve a top side, you can bet ten other clubs are sniffing around too. With that, it means players and clubs have the time and leverage to sit back, wait and sound out other propositions. Sorry to sound patronizing but that’s just how it is, not a “weak cover.” 

 

 

Edited by McCormick

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3 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said:


 

And if I won the lottery last week I wouldn’t be up this scaffolding in the pissing down rain. “If” is doing too much heavy lifting there. We couldn’t convince two young players in a World Cup year that they would benefit from more minutes and playing under Howe for a team with (supposedly) massive ambitions. They chose Chelsea, being one of a number of players in that position and the money. 
 

We ain’t selling ourselves well enough offering a competitive package. That’s a problem.

It's not easy my man, did you notice how the second we get involved it gets leaked and the cartel come swooping in? Offering more money than we can? 

 

It's just one of the those things, we have to let them finishing gorging themselves before we get a look in. 

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3 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said:


 

And if I won the lottery last week I wouldn’t be up this scaffolding in the pissing down rain. “If” is doing too much heavy lifting there. We couldn’t convince two young players in a World Cup year that they would benefit from more minutes and playing under Howe for a team with (supposedly) massive ambitions. They chose Chelsea, being one of a number of players in that position and the money. 
 

We ain’t selling ourselves well enough offering a competitive package. That’s a problem.

Chelsea can blow us out the water in what they can offer a player whether it’s a World Cup year or not. Might not mean much to opposition fans but delap & pedro have already won the Club World Cup within weeks of going there. Them choosing Chelsea is a reflection on them and not us as a club. Wether you like it or not we are going by the book on PSR we don’t have loopholes 

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1 minute ago, McCormick said:


Brother, what are you on about? 


That’s not an “unpopular opinion,” it’s just lazy criticism dressed up as insight. The idea that “there are very few players who can improve us” isn’t some convenient excuse it’s the literal reality of trying to strengthen a top-level squad. When you're operating at the sharp end, marginal gains cost serious money and require precision ffs.


Calling the shortlist “unoriginal” completely misses the point too. Every major club in the world is after the same handful of elite talents. There’s no secret wonderlist no one else knows about. If a player really is good enough to improve a top side, you can bet ten other clubs are sniffing around too. With that, it means players and clubs have the time and leverage to sit back, wait and sound out other propositions. Sorry to sound patronizing but that’s just how it is, not a “weak cover.” 

 

 

 

 

I'll consider myself told.

 

I agree with a fair bit of that. Maybe I should have said, "CAN be a weak cover for". Might have been less inflammatory.

 

I just think the club are saying the right things in interviews etc but then we're really not backing that up with action, in regards to transfers primarily. I'm not arguing it's not hard, but I'm arguing we're not doing things as well as we could.

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7 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Don’t blame you for being frustrated and concerned at all, man. I’m sure most of us are.

 

Apologies for being a bit harsh earlier.

 

 

 

 

No problem. I say the odd daft thing myself.

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5 minutes ago, McCormick said:


Brother, what are you on about? 


That’s not an “unpopular opinion,” it’s just lazy criticism dressed up as insight. The idea that “there are very few players who can improve us” isn’t some convenient excuse it’s the literal reality of trying to strengthen a top-level squad. When you're operating at the sharp end, marginal gains cost serious money and require precision ffs.


Calling the shortlist “unoriginal” completely misses the point too. Every major club in the world is after the same handful of elite talents. There’s no secret wonderlist no one else knows about. If a player really is good enough to improve a top side, you can bet ten other clubs are sniffing around too. With that, it means players and clubs have the time and leverage to sit back, wait and sound out other propositions. Sorry to sound patronizing but that’s just how it is, not a “weak cover.” 

 

 

 

But we are far from having a top level squad. Top level first XI sure.

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