TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Mike said: The contrast between us gambling every window on fitness and City subbing Cherki on for lol's was crazy. Cherki cost less than Ramsey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, TRC said: Cherki cost less than Ramsey And is on roughly 50% more wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, SteV said: And is on roughly 50% more wages It’s not tha much more, Ramsey is on a decent wedge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 We’re miles off city’s targets, they’ve got a 20 year head start and multiple years with unpunished financial breach’s - we shouldn’t be comparing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, SteV said: It’s all very well buying prospects, in fact, to a point, it’s sensible. But if we (or another PL team) had bought Cherki two or three years ago, before he’s commanded his current wages, he likely wouldn’t have had the immediate impact he’s having now. And therein lies the rub. How do we go about managing the line between allocating some of our budget to players that well improve and increase in value given time, with our need to have a squad that completes at elite level on multiple fronts, now. If we had signed a player ready to compete at an elite level, I probably wouldn’t be thinking about prospects we were linked to and seemingly decided against. As it is we signed Elanga, who even to my untrained eye didn’t have much technical ability. It’s pretty clear we haven’t managed the balance very well at RW as we’re probably stuck with Murphy as first choice for another 18 months or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, TRC said: It’s not tha much more, Ramsey is on a decent wedge According to most reports, it is. Ramsey > 100 - 120 Cherki > 180 - 200 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, RodneyCisse said: We’re miles off city’s targets, they’ve got a 20 year head start and multiple years with unpunished financial breach’s - we shouldn’t be comparing. The point isn’t about competing with Man City now, the point is we were being linked to Cherki a long time before he went there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Kimbo said: If we had signed a player ready to compete at an elite level, I probably wouldn’t be thinking about prospects we were linked to and seemingly decided against. As it is we signed Elanga, who even to my untrained eye didn’t have much technical ability. It’s pretty clear we haven’t managed the balance very well at RW as we’re probably stuck with Murphy as first choice for another 18 months or so. Yes, but Elanga was intended to be able to compete. He’s just been largely shit so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Remove any bias and you can understand why any player would choose Man City over us. Wages, a stronger squad around you, champions League football and almost guaranteed trophies doesn't seem to make it a difficult choice for most players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Kimbo said: The point isn’t about competing with Man City now, the point is we were being linked to Cherki a long time before he went there. I don’t really know why we don’t go back in to France for signings, it’s so much cheaper and we have done well. Isn’t Nickson really well connected in France too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, SteV said: According to most reports, it is. Ramsey > 100 - 120 Cherki > 180 - 200 Always ambiguous with wages I saw 10m a year for Cherki and 7m for Ramsey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, TRC said: Always ambiguous with wages I saw 10m a year for Cherki and 7m for Ramsey. You’re right, it is always ambiguous, but even taking those numbers at face value, it would still make Cherki fairly comfortably our top earner, which would have been a fairly dicey situation to have been getting into. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Actually it's another thing we can blame PSR for. I mean I see our right wing slot and I think Jarrod Bowen would be perfect then I snap back to reality and PSR makes it a none starter. Ultimately the system in place means transfer targets converge. Everyone wants the same boring profile of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, SteV said: You’re right, it is always ambiguous, but even taking those numbers at face value, it would still make Cherki fairly comfortably our top earner, which would have been a fairly dicey situation to have been getting into. Yeah, I guess my point is city consistently find players at cheaper prices, it’s not that they are hoovering all the talent up there must be loads of players with buy out clauses that are low. Cherki, Semenyo, Reijnders, Ait Nouri all fairly cheap. They underpaid for Haaland, Akanji in recent years. We claim to pay a premium due to Saudi but they are in the same situation just a lot smarter. We over paid for every player in the summer, I just hope we are smarter going forward. The Elanga one is strange as it’s not like other teams wanted him. We are in a great position this year we need to give Howe all of the tools to succeed, even if it’s a risky loan like Villa did last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Actually it's another thing we can blame PSR for. I mean I see our right wing slot and I think Jarrod Bowen would be perfect then I snap back to reality and PSR makes it a none starter. Ultimately the system in place means transfer targets converge. Everyone wants the same boring profile of player. I’d be surprised if Bowen went for much more than we bought Elanga for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, TRC said: Yeah, I guess my point is city consistently find players at cheaper prices, it’s not that they are hoovering all the talent up there must be loads of players with buy out clauses that are low. Cherki, Semenyo, Reijnders, Ait Nouri all fairly cheap. They underpaid for Haaland, Akanji in recent years. We claim to pay a premium due to Saudi but they are in the same situation just a lot smarter. We over paid for every player in the summer, I just hope we are smarter going forward. The Elanga one is strange as it’s not like other teams wanted him. We are in a great position this year we need to give Howe all of the tools to succeed, even if it’s a risky loan like Villa did last year. As @RobsonsWonderland pointed out, it’s a lot easier to seem smarter when you have all of the advantages they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TRC said: Yeah, I guess my point is city consistently find players at cheaper prices, it’s not that they are hoovering all the talent up there must be loads of players with buy out clauses that are low. Cherki, Semenyo, Reijnders, Ait Nouri all fairly cheap. They underpaid for Haaland, Akanji in recent years. They do seem to legitimately underpay for players. Not quite sure why that is. These aren’t diamonds in the rough that they’ve unearthed…all were highly regarded and well known players before joining them. Suppose it could simply be down to the player telling his club, “I only want City,” City know it, and the selling club have their hands tied. Edited January 14 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, SteV said: As @RobsonsWonderland pointed out, it’s a lot easier to seem smarter when you have all of the advantages they do. Fair, but we are on the opposite end of that. Even with the mackems getting Mukiele, Xhaka for a combined 20m. If we were trying to pad the squad out we should have gone for players like that. I hope with Wilson and the guy from Atalanta we are a lot smarter going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 26 minutes ago, Kimbo said: The point isn’t about competing with Man City now, the point is we were being linked to Cherki a long time before he went there. Which is fine, but then that also means his fee wasn't half Ramsey's at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 hours ago, Deuce said: Honestly find it kinda refreshing. Also it's more common than people think I feel like, just most of them don't admit it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Wasn’t sure where to put this? But we should do something similar. Edited January 14 by Rafalove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Wasn’t sure where to put this? But we should do something similar. Think we have something similar with an Irish club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 We should do something in Africa. I can’t help but feel there is a lot of u tapped potential there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Wasn’t sure where to put this? But we should do something similar. Whilst it’s hardly multi-club ownership, it still feels slightly grubby that you effectively just pay to have first dibs on the best African kids. That said, agree we should probably do something similar…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Why? Couldn’t this be a mutually beneficial thing? We take advantage of an untapped market and they take advantage of increased opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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