NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

Whilst it’s hardly multi-club ownership, it still feels slightly grubby that you effectively just pay to have first dibs on the best African kids.

 

That said, agree we should probably do something similar….

Benfica have something similar but across most of Portugal. Was listening to their academy guy or sporting director or whoever he was on the radio.
 

He was quite brazen saying they just hoover up all the top talent from a really young age and have shitloads of players in the academy. Doesn’t feel quite right. But we need to try and attempt to get younger and cheaper recruits in. With a pathway to the first team. Along with the local lads we’ve already brought through recently. 

[Tsunami]

City (and others) get some players cheaper because of the wages offered and the player has made it clear they want to go there. When there’s a release clause so much the better, we can’t compete if a “bigger” club meets the clause.

[Lotus]

What we need is a player that’s played against us and done well, a player Eddie has seen plenty in the flesh and would feel comfortable giving him a start within a month or two of training with the team

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Benfica have something similar but across most of Portugal. Was listening to their academy guy or sporting director or whoever he was on the radio.
 

He was quite brazen saying they just hoover up all the top talent from a really young age and have shitloads of players in the academy. Doesn’t feel quite right. But we need to try and attempt to get younger and cheaper recruits in. With a pathway to the first team. Along with the local lads we’ve already brought through recently. 

Aye, it’s the way of the world now.
 

There’s no real point in advocating being moralistic martyrs, or you just get left behind.

 

Plus, what’s the ‘fairer’ alternative? 
 

Those with the most money always dictate.

[r0cafella]

25 minutes ago, TRC said:

I’d be surprised if Bowen went for much more than we bought Elanga for.

Yeah but we can't afford players who don't have resale value. It's why players who can appreciate in value are priced at such premiums. 

[Alberto2005]

3 minutes ago, Lotus said:

What we need is a player that’s played against us and done well, a player Eddie has seen plenty in the flesh and would feel comfortable giving him a start within a month or two of training with the team

Anthony Elanga.

[Zero]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah but we can't afford players who don't have resale value. It's why players who can appreciate in value are priced at such premiums. 

 

I do wonder how much we can sell Elanga for now

[r0cafella]

Just now, Zero said:

 

I do wonder how much we can sell Elanga for now

We can't sell him yet. Nobody is paying us 44m which is his book value in the summer. 

[TRC]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah but we can't afford players who don't have resale value. It's why players who can appreciate in value are priced at such premiums. 

I think that’s a silly way of looking at it. Bruno is incredible but we shouldn’t give a shit about his resale value. I want him here for the next 6 years then let him go cheaply to Brazil or something.

 

Mackems probably get 2 elite years from Xhaka at 13m and he pays for himself in prize money by getting them up the table 3-4 spots each season.

 

40m for Ramsey at 24 what was the plan with resale value there? 

[500bhp]

30 minutes ago, TRC said:

Yeah, I guess my point is city consistently find players at cheaper prices, it’s not that they are hoovering all the talent up there must be loads of players with buy out clauses that are low.

 

Cherki, Semenyo, Reijnders, Ait Nouri all fairly cheap. They underpaid for Haaland, Akanji in recent years. 
 

We claim to pay a premium due to Saudi but they are in the same situation just a lot smarter.

 

We over paid for every player in the summer, I just hope we are smarter going forward. The Elanga one is strange as it’s not like other teams wanted him.

 

We are in a great position this year we need to give Howe all of the tools to succeed, even if it’s a risky loan like Villa did last year.

The Elanga transfer was a bit strange. We were bidding against ourselves and ended up paying £55m. Same with Ramsey dont remember him linked to anyone else.

 

Come to think of it Wissa as well. A few clubs interested at around £25m but once the fee went to £35m plus they all dropped out. Expect us and we kept bidding against ourselves up to £55m. Paul Mitchell was a knacker but he called out our transfer strategy very early on. Both for selling and buying. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, TRC said:

I think that’s a silly way of looking at it. Bruno is incredible but we shouldn’t give a shit about his resale value. I want him here for the next 6 years then let him go cheaply to Brazil or something.

 

Mackems probably get 2 elite years from Xhaka at 13m and he pays for himself in prize money by getting them up the table 3-4 spots each season.

 

40m for Ramsey at 24 what was the plan with resale value there? 

It's not though is it? It's simply the reality of football  Bruno is a bad example because his remaining book value means we'd double our money on him at least. Don't get me wrong you need experience too but ultimately one of our biggest current flaws is we will be actively getting nothing back on a lot of players we've paid money for. These will require money to replace. 

 

The mackems have zero ambition so they have nothing to worry about it. They will be content to survive so players like Xhaka are perfectly fine for them. 

 

Same thing Ramsey even if he'd bad we sell him in 3 years and make an accounting profit. 

[TRC]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

It's not though is it? It's simply the reality of football  Bruno is a bad example because his remaining book value means we'd double our money on him at least. Don't get me wrong you need experience too but ultimately one of our biggest current flaws is we will be actively getting nothing back on a lot of players we've paid money for. These will require money to replace. 

 

The mackems have zero ambition so they have nothing to worry about it. They will be content to survive so players like Xhaka are perfectly fine for them. 

 

Same thing Ramsey even if he'd bad we sell him in 3 years and make an accounting profit. 

Yeah but with Ramsey it’s still 15-17m per year on the books which prevents us signing other players. 

[stozo]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We can't sell him yet. Nobody is paying us 44m which is his book value in the summer. 

This touches on a point I don't think most people get. Elanga is 23. He's been pretty average to poor so far. But if you can get him back performing close to his Forest level, you're looking at a situation in two and half years where his accounting value will be £22m and you should be able to sell him for significantly more than that as a player who will be 26 and hitting his prime. I know the frustration people feel about him not hitting the ground running, but it's a deal that offers us a lot of long-term potential. 

 

For those writing him off, it was 18 months ago that Lewis Hall was so poor that Eddie Howe wouldn't play him. Now look at him. I'm quietly confident Elanga will come good, it's just frustrating to watch us struggling and him not able to make an impact. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

Yeah but with Ramsey it’s still 15-17m per year on the books which prevents us signing other players. 

We probably can sell Ramsey this summer and make an accounting profit. Plus I wouldn't have signed him either but that's not the point. From a financial POV it's very low risk as long as we can hold. 

 

Wissa is the problematic one. 

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, stozo said:

This touches on a point I don't think most people get. Elanga is 23. He's been pretty average to poor so far. But if you can get him back performing close to his Forest level, you're looking at a situation in two and half years where his accounting value will be £22m and you should be able to sell him for significantly more than that as a player who will be 26 and hitting his prime. I know the frustration people feel about him not hitting the ground running, but it's a deal that offers us a lot of long-term potential. 

 

For those writing him off, it was 18 months ago that Lewis Hall was so poor that Eddie Howe wouldn't play him. Now look at him. I'm quietly confident Elanga will come good, it's just frustrating to watch us struggling and him not able to make an impact. 

Fuck me - please don't tell me this is anywhere near his average .

[Minhosa]

Just now, r0cafella said:

We probably can sell Ramsey this summer and make an accounting profit. Plus I wouldn't have signed him either but that's not the point. From a financial POV it's very low risk as long as we can hold. 

 

Wissa is the problematic one. 

Wissa was nuts commercially. Crazy deal to do.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

Wissa was nuts commercially. Crazy deal to do.

I said it at the time it was a terrible deal and got shouted down. We really needed his performances to get us CL to make it "worth it" massive gamble. 

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We probably can sell Ramsey this summer and make an accounting profit. Plus I wouldn't have signed him either but that's not the point. From a financial POV it's very low risk as long as we can hold. 

 

Wissa is the problematic one. 

At this rate we are breaking even at best on Ramsey.

 

Dan Burn and Trippier in theory were terrible for PSR but have been two of our best transfers.

 

 

[Yorkie]

18 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I said it at the time it was a terrible deal and got shouted down. We really needed his performances to get us CL to make it "worth it" massive gamble. 

 

You written him off then? Atm we're a point off CL assuming fifth gets it.

[Andy]

We didn't sign Wissa to make money back on him, it was basically just money down for goals/league position/medium-term striker cover, and that's that. 

 

In that sense it's hard to judge the value of his signing commercially until he leaves.

 

I think his signing looks worse in a way because of Woltemade not looking like a natural striker. We've ended up turning Wissa into the Isak replacement, which I doubt was ever the intention. 

[p_cowell141]

2 minutes ago, Andy said:

We didn't sign Wissa to make money back on him, it was basically just money down for goals/league position/medium-term striker cover, and that's that. 

 

In that sense it's hard to judge the value of his signing commercially until he leaves.

 

I think his signing looks worse in a way because of Woltemade not looking like a natural striker. We've ended up turning Wissa into the Isak replacement, which I doubt was ever the intention. 

For me, this was exactly the intention. Fast, proven PL goalscorer who can hit the ground running. 

[Curva Sud Milano]

1 hour ago, TRC said:

Yeah, I guess my point is city consistently find players at cheaper prices, it’s not that they are hoovering all the talent up there must be loads of players with buy out clauses that are low.

 

Cherki, Semenyo, Reijnders, Ait Nouri all fairly cheap. They underpaid for Haaland, Akanji in recent years. 
 

We claim to pay a premium due to Saudi but they are in the same situation just a lot smarter.

 

We over paid for every player in the summer, I just hope we are smarter going forward. The Elanga one is strange as it’s not like other teams wanted him.

 

We are in a great position this year we need to give Howe all of the tools to succeed, even if it’s a risky loan like Villa did last year.

 

If we look at the last ten years, it's clear that City has the best recruitment team in PL... Talents like Rodri De Bruyne and Silva could have gone anywhere but ended up at City.

Chelsea Man Utd and Liverpool have spent a lot, maybe more than City but often badly. Liverpool did well (but also lucky) only with Salah.

[r0cafella]

41 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

You written him off then? Atm we're a point off CL assuming fifth gets it.

I wouldn't say I've written him off, but ultimately it was a short term signing and if it doesn't pay off then it's really expensive. 

[ExiledGeordie]

30 minutes ago, Andy said:

We didn't sign Wissa to make money back on him, it was basically just money down for goals/league position/medium-term striker cover, and that's that. 

 

In that sense it's hard to judge the value of his signing commercially until he leaves.

 

I think his signing looks worse in a way because of Woltemade not looking like a natural striker. We've ended up turning Wissa into the Isak replacement, which I doubt was ever the intention. 

We also didn’t counter on him suffering probably the worst injury of his career to date (that I’m aware of). His injury completely knackered him and us in the process. I hope that given he’s back since roughly the end of November he should start to show improved fitness and sharpness from now. Bloody need him too as well.

[Curva Sud Milano]

25 minutes ago, Andy said:

We didn't sign Wissa to make money back on him, it was basically just money down for goals/league position/medium-term striker cover, and that's that. 

 

In that sense it's hard to judge the value of his signing commercially until he leaves.

 

I think his signing looks worse in a way because of Woltemade not looking like a natural striker. We've ended up turning Wissa into the Isak replacement, which I doubt was ever the intention. 

 

Regardless of the player's skills...according to Howe's tactics Wissa was the perfect replacement for Isaak.

It's Wolte's purchase that has nothing to do with it (I like Wolte and I don't like Wissa but 4-3-3 is not suitable for the German).