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[STM]

Gordon being set aside so quickly speaks to a summer of already having a clear plan in place.

 

Ive no doubt that anyone, Hopkinson, Wilson or Howe are under any illusions about how important this transfer window is.

 

Once again, the success of it is unlikely to be based on whatever plan they have now but how they react to the things out of their control, I.e losing out on targets, players wanting to leave or even injuries.

 

Im confident we will end up in a good place but its not going to be straightforward, its never straightforward. A goalkeeper within the first few weeks would be my priority.

 

 

Edited May 21 by STM

[gjohnson]

8 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Massive difference in those players to Guehi. 24 year old PL Captain at Palace, England international wanted by last years champions and Man City. 
 

Wissa and Elanga don’t exist in the same conversation as Guehi. 

Based on previous form, Wissa and Elanga should have been decent signings. For whatever reasons they've turned out to be garbage, Wissa injured, and Elanga totally forgetting how to play football. Does show that "proven players" is a total joke though. 

[Minhosa]

Given the volume of trading we’ll have to do, it’s imperative we complete as much of it as early as possible imho. Thats issue number one, issue number two is to sign some players with character. We’ve lost so many big characters over the last 12 months if we include those departing this summer, we simply cannot rely on ‘technically sound and a nice lad’ signings. Some of the incomings this summer need a set a bollocks as every one of last summers signings are soft cocks. Not one leader amongst them. 
 

This was undoubtedly a factor in us losing both derbies imho. 
 

For that reason, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see current club captains targeted for at least a couple of the incomers….

[Minhosa]

8 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Based on previous form, Wissa and Elanga should have been decent signings. For whatever reasons they've turned out to be garbage, Wissa injured, and Elanga totally forgetting how to play football. Does show that "proven players" is a total joke though. 

I honestly do not see what they saw in Elanga. He's fucking woeful on every technical metric. ‘Proven’ or not, he was just a rank bad pick. He has ZERO redeemable features. 
 

Wissa will always be judged against the fee paid. We paid for certainty and he’d have had to have massively delivered it to ever get close to justifying the fee paid. He didn’t and everyone involved now looks stupid. 
 

Looking at the prices paid and contract lengths signed, that pair have cost us £20m for this season alone. TWENTY million quid and they have returned fuck all. 
 

They’ll both deliver more next year but not through their quality just more a case of Howe having to play them and a stopped clock being right twice per day. 

 

 

Edited May 21 by Minhosa

[gjohnson]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

I honestly do not see what they saw in Elanga. He's fucking woeful on every technical metric. ‘Proven’ or not, he was just a rank bad pick. He has ZERO redeemable features. 
 

Wissa will always be judged against the fee paid. We paid for certainty and he’d have had to have massively delivered it to ever get close to justifying the fee paid. He didn’t and everyone involved now looks stupid. 
 

Looking at the prices paid and contract lengths signed, that pair have cost us £20m for this season alone. TWENTY million quid and they have returned fuck all. 
 

They’ll both deliver more next year but not through their quality just more a case of Howe having to play them and a stopped clock being right twice per day. 

 

 

 

Elanga was pretty decent for Forest, but it hasn't transferred to us and Wissa was one of the best strikers going. They've both been disastrous this year, but do think they're worth another season. 

[rebelrouser]

14 minutes ago, STM said:

how they react to the things out of their control, I.e losing out on targets, players wanting to leave or even injuries.

Disagree to an extent.  They insisted on pursuing players that were already proven and established in the EPL and panicked when they went elsewhere. They should have foreseen that eventuality and had a better backup plan.  And it wasn't just one bad window. 

[STM]

12 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Disagree to an extent.  They insisted on pursuing players that were already proven and established in the EPL and panicked when they went elsewhere. They should have foreseen that eventuality and had a better backup plan.  And it wasn't just one bad window. 

 

Our transfers prior to last summer had been superb.

 

Its easy to be critical of the club when entirely ignoring a rigged system or our problems with DoFs coming and going or our star striker throwing his toys out of the pram.

 

Yes there have been mistakes but our fans vastly over dramatise them and vastly overestimate how well other clubs do in their transfer windows.

 

Arsenal for example had terrible transfer business... until they didnt. Liverpool "won the window", until they didn't, Chelsea, Man Utd (until last summer) and Spurs have cocked up more transfer windows than I've had dinners. 

 

The only club that consistently get it right can sign whom they want, when they want, without punishment.

 

As for looking longingly towards Brighton or Bournemouth, while there are lessons to be learned from those clubs, the day we start adopting their strategy is the day we might as well pack in. 

 

Weve made mistakes, its not (necessarily)an indicator towards the future. 

[Loki679]

The Bournemouth or Brighton strategy is fine if you want to be a Bournemouth or Brighton.

[TRon]

50 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Elanga was pretty decent for Forest, but it hasn't transferred to us and Wissa was one of the best strikers going. They've both been disastrous this year, but do think they're worth another season. 

 

 

Elanga failed at Man U, and we were chasing him in a one horse race and still ended up overpaying by more than double. No one else wanted him because presumably they'd scouted him thoroughly. 

 

Wissa I could understand based on his form the previous year, and he was obviously a short term signing to get us through the next 2-3 years. But again - it was a one horse race - why was no other club interested? They did their homework on this one as well I am guessing. 

[nufc123]

1 hour ago, STM said:

 

Our transfers prior to last summer had been superb.

 

Its easy to be critical of the club when entirely ignoring a rigged system or our problems with DoFs coming and going or our star striker throwing his toys out of the pram.

 

Yes there have been mistakes but our fans vastly over dramatise them and vastly overestimate how well other clubs do in their transfer windows.

 

Arsenal for example had terrible transfer business... until they didnt. Liverpool "won the window", until they didn't, Chelsea, Man Utd (until last summer) and Spurs have cocked up more transfer windows than I've had dinners. 

 

The only club that consistently get it right can sign whom they want, when they want, without punishment.

 

As for looking longingly towards Brighton or Bournemouth, while there are lessons to be learned from those clubs, the day we start adopting their strategy is the day we might as well pack in. 

 

Weve made mistakes, its not (necessarily)an indicator towards the future. 

Agree on the DOFs, it was amateur stuff from PIF. This time they have had a long time to prepare, people are in place and the issues we have on the pitch is easy to see. There is no sudden noise about players (Isak). Gordon , Tonali, Livra. Its all well documented clubs will come in. This summer there are no excuses..

[janpawel]

Matias Fernandez-Pardon linked by Hope for LW

 

Never heard of him, searched on twitter and appears he's super talented and previously linked with Barca 

 

Sounds good to me

[NSG]

If we sign him I’d have a proper massive Pardon

[duo]

1 hour ago, Loki679 said:

The Bournemouth or Brighton strategy is fine if you want to be a Bournemouth or Brighton.

Vying for CL spots?

 

 

Edited May 21 by duo

[Dr Venkman]

2 hours ago, Minhosa said:

Given the volume of trading we’ll have to do, it’s imperative we complete as much of it as early as possible imho. Thats issue number one, issue number two is to sign some players with character. We’ve lost so many big characters over the last 12 months if we include those departing this summer, we simply cannot rely on ‘technically sound and a nice lad’ signings. Some of the incomings this summer need a set a bollocks as every one of last summers signings are soft cocks. Not one leader amongst them. 
 

This was undoubtedly a factor in us losing both derbies imho. 
 

For that reason, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see current club captains targeted for at least a couple of the incomers….

I think Ramsey is being overlooked here, as usual. Expect him to come into his own in this respect as he becomes more comfortable at the club.

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Loki679 said:

The Bournemouth or Brighton strategy is fine if you want to be a Bournemouth or Brighton.

This is such a load of nonsense. Brighton to a degree but Bournemouth have signed players like Rayan, Huijsen (went to Real Madrid), Semenyo (went to City), Zabarnyi (went to PSG), 3 of which would/should walk into our first team right now.
They have one of the smallest commercial revenues in the PL and punch well above their weight.

Whereas we spent £250m and look like shit. Don't think any of our signings will be moving to elite clubs in Europe. Top clubs in the championship maybe.
 

[duo]

2 hours ago, STM said:

Gordon being set aside so quickly speaks to a summer of already having a clear plan in place.

 

Ive no doubt that anyone, Hopkinson, Wilson or Howe are under any illusions about how important this transfer window is.

 

Once again, the success of it is unlikely to be based on whatever plan they have now but how they react to the things out of their control, I.e losing out on targets, players wanting to leave or even injuries.

 

Im confident we will end up in a good place but its not going to be straightforward, its never straightforward. A goalkeeper within the first few weeks would be my priority.

 

 

 

You would like to think the club learnt from the shit show that was last Summer.  We've got people in place now so really there should be no excuses this time not to get it right.

 

 

Edited May 21 by duo

[DC Magpie]

2 hours ago, Minhosa said:

I honestly do not see what they saw in Elanga. He's fucking woeful on every technical metric. ‘Proven’ or not, he was just a rank bad pick. He has ZERO redeemable features. 
 

Wissa will always be judged against the fee paid. We paid for certainty and he’d have had to have massively delivered it to ever get close to justifying the fee paid. He didn’t and everyone involved now looks stupid. 
 

Looking at the prices paid and contract lengths signed, that pair have cost us £20m for this season alone. TWENTY million quid and they have returned fuck all. 
 

They’ll both deliver more next year but not through their quality just more a case of Howe having to play them and a stopped clock being right twice per day. 

 

 

 

 

Trust me I'm no Wissa apologist, but he thrived in primarily at 4-2-3-1 at Brentford. Seems a much friendlier formation for 9s than ours.

[LFEE]

39 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

This is such a load of nonsense. Brighton to a degree but Bournemouth have signed players like Rayan, Huijsen (went to Real Madrid), Semenyo (went to City), Zabarnyi (went to PSG), 3 of which would/should walk into our first team right now.
They have one of the smallest commercial revenues in the PL and punch well above their weight.

Whereas we spent £250m and look like shit. Don't think any of our signings will be moving to elite clubs in Europe. Top clubs in the championship maybe.
 

Think you missed the point totally. (Or maybe I did  )

[Kid Icarus]

51 minutes ago, duo said:

Vying for CL spots?

As opposed to actually getting in the CL twice?

[Elbel1]

Mark Douglas has a new article but it's not worth the bandwidth it took to download. Basically we've employed an AI expert from silicon valley to work under/with Suds. 

Douglas then asked another data company to suggest signings that would improve Newcastle United. 

One of the names was Elliott Anderson. 

[Rich]

And the lad who grassed on Tonali

[gbandit]

Suds brings in a n00b, I like it

[Holmesy]

32 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Think you missed the point totally. (Or maybe I did  )

Probably me - i was in a rush. The point I was trying to make is Bournemouth have signed some exceptional young talent from around Europe that have been deemed good enough to play for the absolute top clubs.
If the elite clubs want your players, it means you have elite players. And I want us to have elite players, especially if we sign them for not very much money.

We're not Bournemouth or Brighton - we can pay higher wages, have one of the best stadiums in the league, have one of the best sets of fans in the world and when Eddie and Andy aren't left in sole our transfer dealings, we can usually offer European football. So we'd keep those elite young players for longer and when we did ship them, it would be for massive profits, at which point we'd bring through the next one.
The other difference is where Bournemouth and Brighton have to supplement those players with low to middling journeymen because of their wage limits, we don't. We would be adding them to a better stable of players already here.

Semenyo, Huijsen and Rayan combined cost less than Anthony Elanga, who we'd now be lucky to get £25m for. And if you think that's an unfair example, swap Elanga for Gordon. 

 

 

Edited May 21 by Holmesy

[Stifler]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

Probably me - i was in a rush. The point I was trying to make is Bournemouth have signed some exceptional young talent from around Europe that have been deemed good enough to play for the absolute top clubs.
If the elite clubs want your players, it means you have elite players. And I want us to have elite players, especially if we sign them for not very much money.

We're not Bournemouth or Brighton - we can pay higher wages, have one of the best stadiums in the league, have one of the best sets of fans in the world and when Eddie and Andy aren't left in sole our transfer dealings, we can usually offer European football. So we'd keep those elite young players for longer and when we did ship them, it would be for massive profits, at which point we'd bring through the next one.
The other difference is where Bournemouth and Brighton have to supplement those players with low to middling journeymen because of their wage limits, we don't. We would be adding them to a better stable of players already here.

Semenyo, Huijsen and Rayan combined cost less than Anthony Elanga, who we would now be lucky to get £25m for.

That comes down to our scouting and our transfer policy though.

 

We have all been critical of Howe’s Premier League experienced policy for this very reason. We have seen that other clubs can find the right players for less money and when we need to hit a home run with every signing and without much money compared to the teams we want to compete against, we can’t afford established Premier League players.

 

Today we have brought in some guy who works in data and AI to help us identify those players. It appears that our policy is shifty, and rightly so.

[Holmesy]

11 minutes ago, Stifler said:

That comes down to our scouting and our transfer policy though.

 

We have all been critical of Howe’s Premier League experienced policy for this very reason. We have seen that other clubs can find the right players for less money and when we need to hit a home run with every signing and without much money compared to the teams we want to compete against, we can’t afford established Premier League players.

 

Today we have brought in some guy who works in data and AI to help us identify those players. It appears that our policy is shifty, and rightly so.

And some of it has been exceptional but when it came to trying to make that step up, to compete with the cartel, we lost. 
And we lost because of geography, status and because it's a rigged game. If we're going to compete in a rigged game, we have to be smarter than the people making the rules and the clubs benefitting from them. We need every advantage we can get, in every single department throughout the club.