Optimistic Nut Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: Dunno about that. It's the reality of where we are. Until we get official big boy status we're going to be seen as a stepping stone whether we want it or not. May as well accept it if it leads to a better caliber of player coming in and improving us? But we'll never get official big boy status because we'll never become an established top 6 team when we have to sell our best player every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: But we'll never get official big boy status because we'll never become an established top 6 team when we have to sell our best player every year. Why do you think the SCR rules are designed the way they are? You become a big boy by buying the best players, not selling them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: But we'll never get official big boy status because we'll never become an established top 6 team when we have to sell our best player every year. That’s not very optimistic of you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: But we'll never get official big boy status because we'll never become an established top 6 team when we have to sell our best player every year. I can't see us doing it without selling anyone. The game is rigged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: I can't see us doing it without selling anyone. The game is rigged Hopkinson said that in his statement the other month, need to sell to buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Just been talking to someone there about where we are right now with our recruitment pitch and it sounds like a nightmare like. So we started the project with the pitch being basically 'come here, you're getting in on the ground floor, we're going to compete for the league and the CL in a few years' Whereas now the pitch is apparently more along the lines of 'look at Gordon, look at Isak, come here and in a few years that could be you going to one of those clubs' but the problem is, we're pitching that to players who those clubs already want now never mind in a few years, rather than the ones that say Brighton or Bournemouth are after. Really depressing if true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 11 minutes ago, McCormick said: Really depressing if true. That pitch sounds absolutely pathetic. We are seemingly incapable of focusing more on players those clubs are overlooking or uncertain about currently, like we did with Bruno, Botman, Isak and even Thiaw more recently. Players hungry to prove themselves. We've gone again like we did last summer, going after players on all of their radars, and are telling them they can eventually go to those clubs. My God Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago I'd argue Munoz is a Brighton level player today. Liverpool coming in for him now has totally thrown this thing for a loop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidg Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, Kanj said: I'd argue Munoz is a Brighton level player today. Liverpool coming in for him now has totally thrown this thing for a loop. My thoughts exactly. What are we meant to do when those cunts are shopping in a cartel AND feeder club market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Just been talking to someone there about where we are right now with our recruitment pitch and it sounds like a nightmare like. So we started the project with the pitch being basically 'come here, you're getting in on the ground floor, we're going to compete for the league and the CL in a few years' Whereas now the pitch is apparently more along the lines of 'look at Gordon, look at Isak, come here and in a few years that could be you going to one of those clubs' but the problem is, we're pitching that to players who those clubs already want now never mind in a few years, rather than the ones that say Brighton or Bournemouth are after. If true sounds like we’ve gave up and rolled over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago It's really thrown my head for a spin, particularly when you read he's basically lied to us (told us what we needed to hear while keeping his options open) and signed for another club. Just really shit feeling about club football these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) Its alright lads we'll be number one by 2030. Edited 17 hours ago by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: If true sounds like we’ve gave up and rolled over. This is one where I am coming round to @The College Dropout viewpoint. It feels like the owners have lost interest and have just outsourced everything to directors who don't really have much connection with football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, Myleftboot said: If true sounds like we’ve gave up and rolled over. Nah, it's more a case that the previous method - that was still being used during the last summer that everyone said was a failure and everyone said we needed to change tact on - has been changed. Whether we'll keep identifying these players that the likes of Liverpool still go in for, I'm not sure. It would definitely make more sense if the players we're identifying were more like Brighton or Bournemouth targets, but then you have to accept, surprise surprise, that we'll just be another Brighton or Bournemouth, which I'm sure a lot of people won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Nah, it's more a case that the previous method - that was still being used during the last summer that everyone said was a failure and everyone said we needed to change tact on - has been changed. Whether we'll keep identifying these players that the likes of Liverpool still go in for, I'm not sure. It would definitely make more sense if the players we're identifying were more like Brighton or Bournemouth targets, but then you have to accept, surprise surprise, that we'll just be another Brighton or Bournemouth, which I'm sure a lot of people won't. We did target the lad Brighton ended up signing apparently tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago I have no desire to Brighton or Bournemouth. There are more than enough players out there to be what we were in our first 2-3 seasons under Eddie Howe. We are being fed such nonsense. The main reason we aren't getting these deals done is we aren't fast enough, sure enough, or paying enough to make any other decision worth waiting around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Never been added by the wanting to be number 1 bollocks. Probably aimed at trying to show ambition to outsiders as much as just our fans. How you going to grow the fanbase and commercial side of we're just saying, "yeah, actually we'll likely be 7-8th in 2039, but will you give us £40m a year? Ta." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, Kanj said: I'd argue Munoz is a Brighton level player today. Liverpool coming in for him now has totally thrown this thing for a loop. Brighton would start him right away to win him over. Both Newcastle and Liverpool are looking at him as a squad player initially. In this scenario we can't beat Liverpool offering the same thing, we either beat Brighton if we offer what they are, or we land him as a squad player if Liverpool aren't involved at all. If we're looking for a young up and coming talent for the squad, to develop for the first team, we need to be wary of Brighton offering them first team opportunities and also wary of the cartel offering more money and "shine" for the same role we're offering! Stuck between a rock and a hard place ... and so we better have an impossibly vast list of player options we are looking at. The club also needs to be developing one of the best scouting networks and recruitment data models out there if they are serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) In May and June 2025 we were linked with Lamine Camara and Akliouche, that deal was there to be done. That deal could be there to be done now, but there's far more competition in both now. You move last summer. Or you tie up a future deal even. There are countless examples of this inaction in our time post AS and Ashworth. Edited 17 hours ago by Kanj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) Any semblance of a project is now massively underwhelming and the euphoria and crescendo we rode with the takeover has certainly gone. Players flock to that, the very idea of being the next city or psg. They smell the oil and are like moths to a light. I think targeting young prospects is certainly the right way, but I toyed with the thought of getting a Vlahovic or Nunez in just to get the juices flowing again and maybe get other players to notice? But maybe not. Edited 17 hours ago by Stuy_O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago We need to build the foundations of a big club. Forget about the big 6 and flex on Brighton, Bournmouth, Brentford and the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Kanj said: In May and June 2025 we were linked with Lamine Camara and Akliouche, that deal was there to be done. That deal could be there to be done now, but there's far more competition in both now. You move last summer. Or you tie up a future deal even. There are countless examples of this inaction in our time post AS and Ashworth. We became to risk averse and it has set us back a fair bit imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Kanj said: In May and June 2025 we were linked with Lamine Camara and Akliouche, that deal was there to be done. That deal could be there to be done now, but there's far more competition in both now. You move last summer. Or you tie up a future deal even. There are countless examples of this inaction in our time post AS and Ashworth. That's if we take press reports at face value of course. Take Akliouche for example. Sure he's available and has been linked. But Monaco's would want a handsome fee and it seems his agent has had eyes on a move to PSG for some time. I'm sure there are examples of what you're saying, but I think we sometimes forget there are at least four parties to every player sale and their interests don't always align. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago If we get to the end of the month and we don't have 2 or 3 more through the door I'll start to get worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ben said: Hopkinson said that in his statement the other month, need to sell to buy He's been very quiet of late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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