Sir Joel Inton Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: Honestly never doubted the logic behind the Wissa signing, not going to change my mind just because he hasn't impacted much yet. We needed someone who knew their way around and could be relied on while the other new striker was integrated (or be backup to Isak). Made sense to me. Maybe 5-10m too expensive but I don't tend to worry too much about fees because they're mainly a matter of judgement or circumstance. Agree. He was overpriced but that was the cost of the hole we found ourselves in. £10m more in PSR terms isn’t going to break the bank, certainly not compared to the risk of signing nobody and failing at our pre-season targets for the year and the reduced prize money that will bring. Wissa has contributed to 1 CL win already, which pays for this season’s “overpayment” in CL prize money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Honestly never doubted the logic behind the Wissa signing, not going to change my mind just because he hasn't impacted much yet. We needed someone who knew their way around and could be relied on while the other new striker was integrated (or be backup to Isak). Made sense to me. Maybe 5-10m too expensive but I don't tend to worry too much about fees because they're mainly a matter of judgement or circumstance. I thought Wissa was a logical choice to mitigate the loss of Isak. I know he was supposed to be the Wilson replacement but never really bought that line. That said I have never really watched him close up, and I've been very disappointed with his lack of close control so far. I'm hoping it's just a blip because I would not be happy paying £55m for a 29 yr old with a heavy touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, TRon said: You are in the other thread bemoaning that we haven't taken any chances by signing players in the January window, and here you are critcising Wissa as a panic buy. You can't have it both ways. It's one way. If we are going to sign £55m 28yo strikers from Brentford - it's because we think season 25/26 is so critical and must be a success. So in January, go get some loans to try and make 25/26 a success as the squad needs reinforcements. We spent money like the 25/26 is so important and then neglect to strengthen it mid-way through the season when the need is obvious. That doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, TRon said: I thought Wissa was a logical choice to mitigate the loss of Isak. I know he was supposed to be the Wilson replacement but never really bought that line. That said I have never really watched him close up, and I've been very disappointed with his lack of close control so far. I'm hoping it's just a blip because I would not be happy paying £55m for a 29 yr old with a heavy touch. I've never believed that to be the case tbh. He was our 'break class in case of emergency' PL-proven striker in the event we lost Isak and couldn't secure our other targets. I don't think it was ever about signing a direct replacement for Wilson and a direct replacement for Isak; it was just about re-tooling the striker department as well as we could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) Like I say - all transfers come with risk and upside. The Wissa upside was immediate results with Prem experience. Risk was his age, the fee and lack of consistent pedigree and doubts about his ability. Was that a sensible risk? In isolation, I don't hate it. With the rest of the transfers... I don't like it much but hey hoo. We took a high floor, low ceiling approach for a premium but the floor has been lower than expected so far. Edited February 3 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Ben said: I still think signing him sent Burnley down, not forgetting his crucial penalty against Wolves. Agreed, but I still probably wouldn't consider him "good value", he just did a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 minutes ago, Andy said: Agreed, but I still probably wouldn't consider him "good value", he just did a job. We got most of our money back from him (?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 16 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: It's one way. If we are going to sign £55m 28yo strikers from Brentford - it's because we think season 25/26 is so critical and must be a success. So in January, go get some loans to try and make 25/26 a success as the squad needs reinforcements. We spent money like the 25/26 is so important and then neglect to strengthen it mid-way through the season when the need is obvious. That doesn't make sense. You are talking about loan signings then, not permanent. I would be fine with that, but Howe has been pretty specific that he doesn't want to go down that road for the sake of a few weeks. That's his decision and he seems happy with it. If you are going to back a coach, then you have to back his reasoning for squad harmony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 minutes ago, TRon said: You are talking about loan signings then, not permanent. I would be fine with that, but Howe has been pretty specific that he doesn't want to go down that road for the sake of a few weeks. That's his decision and he seems happy with it. If you are going to back a coach, then you have to back his reasoning for squad harmony. You back a coach by giving him the best tools to succeed. That may not always be doing what the coach prefers. That's what DoF's are for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You back a coach by giving him the best tools to succeed. That may not always be doing what the coach prefers. That's what DoF's are for. Ross Wilson doesn't strike me as the type to tell Howe how to manage his squad. It sounds like we might have moved for this Zabi kid if everything had fallen into place, but if Howe is against loan signings in this window, Ross is not going to push players into the squad when they might barely get a kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: It's one way. If we are going to sign £55m 28yo strikers from Brentford - it's because we think season 25/26 is so critical and must be a success. So in January, go get some loans to try and make 25/26 a success as the squad needs reinforcements. We spent money like the 25/26 is so important and then neglect to strengthen it mid-way through the season when the need is obvious. That doesn't make sense. We have more information now though, and we have more players who we already bought. It's not like the two time periods are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: We have more information now though, and we have more players who we already bought. It's not like the two time periods are the same. The information we have now is that the squad needs reinforcements to hit whatever goals we had targeted. 26 minutes ago, TRon said: Ross Wilson doesn't strike me as the type to tell Howe how to manage his squad. It sounds like we might have moved for this Zabi kid if everything had fallen into place, but if Howe is against loan signings in this window, Ross is not going to push players into the squad when they might barely get a kick. If Wilson signs good players Howe doesn't utilise, that is on Howe not Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 40 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The information we have now is that the squad needs reinforcements to hit whatever goals we had targeted. If Wilson signs good players Howe doesn't utilise, that is on Howe not Wilson. But we already know that the club targets players during summer windows and don't like making signings mid-season. Howe explained this just this week and gave his reasoning. I am sure if the opportunity was there to bring in players who were long term targets we would do it. On loan signings I think Wilson will defnitely consult with Howe first and see how they would fit in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 GK, LB, CB & MF in the summer says Douglas, believe it if you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Why does every player have to be a long term target? What’s wrong with the January window if deals are to be done? Wissa isn’t a long term player either. I love Howe but he’s not always right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, La Parka said: Óscar Mingueza been linked here before hasn't he? Free in the summer. I still think Robertson would be a good acquisition - like the trips one was. Big Oscar Minge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 minutes ago, nufc123 said: GK, LB, CB & MF in the summer says Douglas, believe it if you want. Knows fuck all. Where’s a RB on that list? Tripps is done and Tino can’t be flogged week in, week out. Plus the Man City rumours just won’t go away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2022 brought us Tripps, Bruno, and Burn, but 2013’s French Revolution still might be my favorite January window for the absurdity of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Knows fuck all. Where’s a RB on that list? Tripps is done and Tino can’t be flogged week in, week out. Plus the Man City rumours just won’t go away. Not that I like it but Miley is probably Livras backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Not that I like it but Miley is probably Livras backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 53 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Knows fuck all. Where’s a RB on that list? Tripps is done and Tino can’t be flogged week in, week out. Plus the Man City rumours just won’t go away. RW is a big problem with the Juice getting older and Elanga looking lost. Think we need a forward too but will probably need to trade Wissa or Woltemade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 hours ago, Holloway said: I was just pointing it out, because you thought we were out,somehow It's obvious you're only here for one reason,your credibility is in tatters I genuinely did. Not remotely ashamed to admit it. My interest in the club and football in general has waned significantly. I have plenty of other things in my life that matter far more to me. I still watch the sport hoping to be entertained - not very entertaining is it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I genuinely did. Not remotely ashamed to admit it. My interest in the club and football in general has waned significantly. I have plenty of other things in my life that matter far more to me. I still watch the sport hoping to be entertained - not very entertaining is it! You should pop by in the good times, it's very uplifting 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy74 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I genuinely did. Not remotely ashamed to admit it. My interest in the club and football in general has waned significantly. I have plenty of other things in my life that matter far more to me. I still watch the sport hoping to be entertained - not very entertaining is it! Yet you come on here calling people "Eddie's fanboys" because they don't feel the need to criticise him. To post something like that pal, you should at least have the knowledge to know that we're still in the Champions League. Edited February 3 by Drewboy74 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearljam10 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, nufc123 said: GK, LB, CB & MF in the summer says Douglas, believe it if you want. There we have the creativity we need Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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