Holloway Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 minutes ago, Holmesy said: 😀 agreed. A welcome surprise in an otherwise dismal season!    I was just pointing it out, because you thought we were out,somehow It's obvious you're only here for one reason,your credibility is in tatters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 53 minutes ago, Andy said:  The general lack of activity across the board would suggest it isn't a myth, but we've managed to find value there before when we had to.  January 22 is arguably still the best value transfer window we've had under PIF (Chris Wood aside).  I still think signing him sent Burnley down, not forgetting his crucial penalty against Wolves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Ben said: Â I still think signing him sent Burnley down, not forgetting his crucial penalty against Wolves. Â Plus the money we recouped for him from Forest surely meant that the outlay was negligible in the grand scheme of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:  What on earth is this based on?  "The key thing for us to consider is business now versus business in the summer, value for money now versus value for money in the summer and signing the right player," Howe said. "Because if you sign the wrong player, you're carrying that then for a three, four, five-year contract."   "All together we want to find the right solutions, but they have to be the right solutions. The worst thing we could do is bring the wrong players into the football club. That would cause harm for a long time, so it’s always about the right players."   "When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. “It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. “There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."  There's 3 quotes and plenty more if I had time. Nothing necessarily wrong with this attitude if it's balanced out with some cheaper, calculated gambles. He wants "guarantees" and is happy to pay the extra for them then will talk about PSR restricting us and having a small squad. "The worst thing we could do is bring the wrong players into the football club". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Not sure how Wissa fits into that multi-factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 It's also not entirely true. You can always sell players  I'm happy for players to stay on and develop. But we can move them on Chris Wood style. I don't think our approach makes a lot of sense. We've prioritised the here and now - immediate success in the summer. But don't want to leverage loans for the here and now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 19 minutes ago, Ellis H said: "The worst thing we could do is bring the wrong players into the football club".  Ah Howe man you brainless prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, The College Dropout said: It's also not entirely true. You can always sell players  I'm happy for players to stay on and develop. But we can move them on Chris Wood style. I don't think our approach makes a lot of sense. We've prioritised the here and now - immediate success in the summer. But don't want to leverage loans for the here and now.  Sounds like we are building a squad next summer for a competition we wont be in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Not sure how Wissa fits into that multi-factor. Â Context does come into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Not sure how Wissa fits into that multi-factor. Wissa was desperate times called for desperate measures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I hope he's just trying to keep his cards close to his chest cause if I witness a shit summer with barely any incomings or improvements I will 100% blame last summer on him and him only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I think Wissa was probably the most logical and solid signing we made TBH. Experienced but not too old, good movement with an eye for goal. Athletic enough to press.  He just got a bad injury just after he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, Menace said: I hope he's just trying to keep his cards close to his chest cause if I witness a shit summer with barely any incomings or improvements I will 100% blame last summer on him and him only  You've lost me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think Wissa was probably the most logical and solid signing we made TBH. Experienced but not too old, good movement with an eye for goal. Athletic enough to press.  He just got a bad injury just after he arrived.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Not true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Do you think any other club would’ve bought Wissa for £55m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Not true? Couldn't be further from the truth. 29yo with one 20+ goal a season. Brentford play a different style and don't come up against teams who defend deep either.  We probably had to give him a 4 year deal so we lose a year of amortisation of that daft fee making it even more expensive   If we take a step back and think about it. wissa was a result of poor planning/execution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 29 minutes ago, Ellis H said:  "The key thing for us to consider is business now versus business in the summer, value for money now versus value for money in the summer and signing the right player," Howe said. "Because if you sign the wrong player, you're carrying that then for a three, four, five-year contract."   "All together we want to find the right solutions, but they have to be the right solutions. The worst thing we could do is bring the wrong players into the football club. That would cause harm for a long time, so it’s always about the right players."   "When asked what the ‘right player’ is for Newcastle, Howe added: “The right player is multi-factored, really. “It's the right age, the right deal as in transfer fee, the right wages, then the right player to actually come into your squad, the right positional need. “There's loads of things. If one of those things is not right, especially financially for us, it puts us in a difficult situation."  There's 3 quotes and plenty more if I had time. Nothing necessarily wrong with this attitude if it's balanced out with some cheaper, calculated gambles. He wants "guarantees" and is happy to pay the extra for them then will talk about PSR restricting us and having a small squad. "The worst thing we could do is bring the wrong players into the football club". And look what’s happened as soon as a couple of transfers haven’t (yet) worked out. He’s getting absolute pelters for them.  Is it any wonder he errs on the side of caution? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Nah Wissa was a massive risk. He needed to hit the ground running and score 14+ goals in the league this season. We paid a premium and likely won't make a substantial profit for him. 28 when we signed him. Only had 1 season at the level we need him for - for a club that always gets their attackers scoring anyway (how good are Schade and Thiago really?). Â The reality is all transfers are massive risks. Attitude, ability (potential and realised) and coaching fit matter more than anything imo and things can still go wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Do you think any other club would’ve bought Wissa for £55m? It was a panic buy. We all know it.  But even our non-panic buys don't make a tremendous amount of sense from a PSR perspective. Ramsey and Elanga in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Wissa is a decent player who has been injured for a while and has been up to speed for a less than 2 months. He's also playing in a side that does not play to his strengths at all. I'm not sure what some people expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I said at the time that I thought £30m for Wissa is a transfer we should do. Sounded like our first bids were around that or less. £55m was crazy even if he’d scored 15 in the league this season and next for someone of his age with only one good season of PL goalscoring.  The huge caveat is that we had to get someone and I’m not sure what else was possibly available for us.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, SteV said: And look what’s happened as soon as a couple of transfers haven’t (yet) worked out. He’s getting absolute pelters for them.  Is it any wonder he errs on the side of caution?  Spending £100million on Elanga and Ramsey will earn you pelters tbf. Plenty predicted as much in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: It was a panic buy. We all know it.  But even our non-panic buys don't make a tremendous amount of sense from a PSR perspective. Ramsey and Elanga in particular.  You are in the other thread bemoaning that we haven't taken any chances by signing players in the January window, and here you are critcising Wissa as a panic buy. You can't have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Honestly never doubted the logic behind the Wissa signing, not going to change my mind just because he hasn't impacted much yet. We needed someone who knew their way around and could be relied on while the other new striker was integrated (or be backup to Isak). Made sense to me.  Maybe 5-10m too expensive but I don't tend to worry too much about fees because they're mainly a matter of judgement or circumstance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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