nufc123 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He gets stuff wrong regarding PSR every window in fairness. Maybe, but there should be a good room for transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 We need an update from Wilson after the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He gets stuff wrong regarding PSR every window in fairness. The footy insider of "football finance" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 50 minutes ago, Interpolic said: After 3 windows of spending next to nothing. The impact of not being able to add anyone new for that period of time is definitely overlooked, as well as the fact that our inability to offer more in wages forced us to miss out on certain players. This doesn't excuse what is looking like an underwhelming summer, but hard to take any argument that downplays the impact of PSR too seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 21 minutes ago, TRC said: We need an update from Wilson after the window. "We are saving the pot for new coach in the summer, WINDOW in the summer. I meant new window not new coach..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 32 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He gets stuff wrong regarding PSR every window in fairness. Even quick maths would suggest we could spend at least 150m net. Loads of headroom there if needed. Thats before another potential large sale too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I find it incredible that anyone thinks they have a clue about our ability to spend money. I've heard people talking confidently as if we're at either end of the spectrum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Mad that we're not recalling Targett imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 My ITK sources tell me we've got between zero and 700 billion quid to spend in the summer. You heard it here first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 55 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He gets stuff wrong regarding PSR every window in fairness. Pretty sure he said a year or two ago that we could spend £500m and not be in any bother with PSR. His numbers always seem to be taking a very short-term view, ie what is the absolute maximum we could spend this month and then amortise it all for five years. Answer would be that we would then be fucked and unable to spend anything for years and probably have to sell our best players again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, loki679 said: My ITK sources tell me we've got between zero and 700 billion quid to spend in the summer. You heard it here first. Sauce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: The truth is we spent £95.6m in the summer. I don't know what our PSR situation is and while it seems broadly calculable we always seem to get widely conflicting reports. I presume that we headed into the last transfer window expecting to sell Isak and conducted our transfer business in response. The fact that we spend around £250 million on incoming transfers means that we have a pretty fully squad. Some of those signings haven't performed but for both footballing and financial reasons it makes sense to give those players time. We have a lot of money tied up in them and I wasn't expecting us to go big during this transfer window on say another striker or wide forward, but given our defensive ailments it surely made sense and was within our means to sign a backup left-back or maybe another midfielder. I guess that our lack of signings has absolutely nothing to do with us saving our funds for a new manager and much to do with Howe's conservative nature regarding squad balance, though I also think that our transfer team is pretty lacking and wouldn't necessarily have the capacity to move in a timely fashion even if we felt that we did need someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 No Hope plugging his mail+ Q&A from 3pm got to fill a barren window with summer promise I guess. Being in for players with kept/reserved budgets intact dont always mean we win the race to sign them as we all well know from the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolc157 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Minhosa said: I think we'll have no choice but to sacrifice a couple of top players to enable us to have the budget to go again this summer as we'll, realistically, not be able to ship out some of the dogshit we've brought in for anything but a PSR loss. Not for me like, we shouldn’t be sacrificing anyone, especially Tonali and Tino, unless they know about some underlying injury problem with his knee… we need to build our team around these type of players not replace them… We just need a better transfer window in the summer, at least 2 or 3 players who are better or as good as current first teamers…. im still putting last summers window down to Izak/Ekitike situation and some panic buying, although I’m confident the majority of those players will come good.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Should Try sign Mateta on loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 35 minutes ago, llcoolc157 said: Not for me like, we shouldn’t be sacrificing anyone, especially Tonali and Tino, unless they know about some underlying injury problem with his knee… we need to build our team around these type of players not replace them… We just need a better transfer window in the summer, at least 2 or 3 players who are better or as good as current first teamers…. im still putting last summers window down to Izak/Ekitike situation and some panic buying, although I’m confident the majority of those players will come good.. While your very much entitled to your opinion but the squad is in need of an overhaul in the next 12 months regardless. Trips- out of contract come the summer Schar- out of contract come the summer Kraft- out of contract come the summer Lacelles - left/leaving or out of contract come the summer I think combined we may have paid around 22m for them but its going to cost alot more than that to replace them. ramsdale- please dont make this permanent at whatever the fee is meant to be (15/17m?) Then you have: Pope - final year come the summer BDB- final year come the summer Willock- final year come the summer J.Murphy- final year come the summer Now we may well extend some of these and the ones the ones going/gone come the summer were signed so long ago for little to no fee relatively speaking they wont hurt us too much letting them go for nothing. Issue is player fee inflation is real and even squad players can cost alot of money if we also want Howe type players and those who we cant offer big wages to etc. Question marks on if (based on rumours of who we may have/will cash in on): Gordon stays? Tonali stays? Tino doesnt extend so to protect fee sale needed? Joelinton - getting older now a time to sell to get a reasonable fee if offered? While I agree that we need to keep a hold of a core/spine of good players and build around them we also know that the holes we have in our squad may not come from our academy so will need to be bought in which means player trading. We dont have a massive bloated squad of assets to sell so it is likely we will look to sell a "purple" in order to reinvest. Where we are at in terms of final standings of the season and which European competition we are in if any will also be a big factor in who wants to stay and who we can attract. With all this at play I don't see a world where we dictate who will stay and who will go and we all accept we can no longer keep a hold of everyone because they are a canny bunch of lads. Plus factoring in this seasons underwhelming relatively speaking performances in the prem in particular it now feels like something needs to change. This will hopefully come from second season improvements to Ramsey, Elanga and Big Nick but is not guaranteed and feels the squad needs more than just those 3 doing better. Edited February 2 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 For whatever reason, we do seem very risk averse in this window. Assume it’s PSR related, but it’s frustrating given our needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: For whatever reason, we do seem very risk averse in this window. Assume it’s PSR related, but it’s frustrating given our needs. At least £75m to spend and £200m in 2026. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Because we arent trying to re-qualify for the CL. If we were, i am sure we would have invested, or more accurately been in a position to invest if re-qualifying for the CL was considered an appropriate strategy for the season. Untill we have closed the gap financially, perennial qualification is not strategy. Spending now is not that likely to help us win a cup or progress in CL seeting as both are dependent on games in matter of weeks. Edited February 2 by Adam P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolc157 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 20 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: While your very much entitled to your opinion but the squad is in need of an overhaul in the next 12 months regardless. Trips- out of contract come the summer Schar- out of contract come the summer Kraft- out of contract come the summer Lacelles - left/leaving or out of contract come the summer I think combined we may have paid around 22m for them but its going to cost alot more than that to replace them. ramsdale- please dont make this permanent at whatever the fee is meant to be (15/17m?) Then you have: Pope - final year come the summer BDB- final year come the summer Willock- final year come the summer J.Murphy- final year come the summer Now we may well extend some of these and the ones the ones going/gone come the summer were signed so long ago for little to no fee relatively speaking they wont hurt us too much letting them go for nothing. Issue is player fee inflation is real and even squad players can cost alot of money if we also want Howe type players and those who we cant offer big wages to etc. Question marks on if (based on rumours of who we may have/will cash in on): Gordon stays? Tonali stays? Tino doesnt extend so to protect fee sale needed? Joelinton - getting older now a time to sell to get a reasonable fee if offered? While I agree that we need to keep a hold of a core/spine of good players and build around them we also know that the holes we have in our squad may not come from our academy so will need to be bought in which means player trading. We dont have a massive bloated squad of assets to sell so it is likely we will look to sell a "purple" in order to reinvest. Where we are at in terms of final standings of the season and which European competition we are in if any will also be a big factor in who wants to stay and who we can attract. With all this at play I don't see a world where we dictate who will stay and who will go and we all accept we can no longer keep a hold of everyone because they are a canny bunch of lads. The squad needs strengthening, of course it does, but I don’t see an overhaul happening… In my own opinion we need an established leader at centre half, means we have 4/5 in that position and at least 3 who could be definite starters… perhaps a couple off the books, definitely Lascelles… this is a critical position to organise, communicate and install confidence in others.. A quality striker, playmaker and goalkeeper would be nice but that’s a big ask for all of them.. but again it should be in addition to who we have now.. Probably wishful thinking on the above and there will no doubt be some trade offs to generate cash…ie Osula.. And then a few off the books on big money ie Targett.. thing is every season everyone has a list of players they want moved on, sometimes over half the squad and it simply doesn’t happen.. My point is if we want to challenge we must keep as many top players and try and add to this… not gamble on a number of replacements that we know doesn’t always work out immediately… Oh and get shot of any of the canny lads if they’re not up to it… that is if someone will take them off our hands… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, Adam P said: Because we arent trying to re-qualify for the CL. If we were, i am sure we would have invested, or more accurately been in a position to invest if re-qualifying for the CL was considered an appropriate strategy for the season. Untill we have closed the gap financially, perennial qualification is not strategy. Spending now is not that likely to help us win a cup or progress in CL seeting as both are dependent on games in matter of weeks. Unless they see a managerial change and don't think it's worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Lads, Howe is going nowhere. There will be no manager change in the summer. Andy Howe will lead us to recruitment glory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 15 minutes ago, llcoolc157 said: The squad needs strengthening, of course it does, but I don’t see an overhaul happening… In my own opinion we need an established leader at centre half, means we have 4/5 in that position and at least 3 who could be definite starters… perhaps a couple off the books, definitely Lascelles… this is a critical position to organise, communicate and install confidence in others.. A quality striker, playmaker and goalkeeper would be nice but that’s a big ask for all of them.. but again it should be in addition to who we have now.. Probably wishful thinking on the above and there will no doubt be some trade offs to generate cash…ie Osula.. And then a few off the books on big money ie Targett.. thing is every season everyone has a list of players they want moved on, sometimes over half the squad and it simply doesn’t happen.. My point is if we want to challenge we must keep as many top players and try and add to this… not gamble on a number of replacements that we know doesn’t always work out immediately… Oh and get shot of any of the canny lads if they’re not up to it… that is if someone will take them off our hands… Fortunately/ unfortunately depending on your view the club have not had to do an overhaul yet as they have kicked the can down the road on older players offering single year extensions. Kraft, Burn, Trips all got them in recent times and based on their ages its unlikely this can continue indefinitely when they all do finally go its likely going to be filled through player recruitment not promotion from the academy lads. You also have players that havent performed who arent as old that you need to stick or twist on, Willock is still relatively young but based on the last year do you just extend and keep him? J.Murphy is now getting on and has had injury issues this season he is the last of the big Mike Ashley extensions do you sell to get younger competition or keep? Joelinton will be 30 next year? and into his final 2 years come the summer how long do we stick with him or would we listen to offers if one came in? Then you have players who have that 12 months "cushion" you still need to future plan on Pope got a year but do we want him to stay based on this season beyond 2027? BDB will all depend on how often he is used but is no spring chicken anymore. I completely forgot about Osula to be honest is he happy at 23/24 being 3rd choice? I am not so sure and even if he does go for 30m the striker market is the most expensive position to shop in I am not sure how much wiggle room him going will bring if his replacement would be as expensive or more so. I get what your saying in an ideal world we let go with who we want and keep a hold of everyone this season ends up being the exception/blip rather than the rule for how we can play and things get better next year with minor tweaks. I still think there is too much incomings needed now that we dont also have to accept a player or 2 going who would ideally be part of our plans but we need to make changes. Also reviewing the season so far I do agree with comments about how we playing seems stale and predictable that may require a tactical shift meaning we need to recruit for that vision? Minimum we need come the summer back up/competition to both full backs, back up to RCB, back up or new number 1 keeper potential willock replacement. On top of that are we happy with how we are as a side that we dont look to the forward line/midfield again. I count 4/6 players needed come the summer which sounds like a fairly big reset/rebuild to me. Edited February 2 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 22 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: For whatever reason, we do seem very risk averse in this window. Assume it’s PSR related, but it’s frustrating given our needs. Apart from the Trippier January window, we have gambled several winter windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, JT24 said: Lads, Howe is going nowhere. There will be no manager change in the summer. Andy Howe will lead us to recruitment glory. Started early? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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