Dokko Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, mofo said: Selling Bruno would be a huge backwards step and I'm quite confident it won't happen. Eddie loves him and I really think he's here for the long haul ? £117m release clause, think we'd honour even if Psg weren't in the listed clubs. We'd be mad not to tbh. Keeps us going for years like villa and grealish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I fucking love Bruno but aye, I have enough faith in our recruitment that for almost £120m it could be the right move. FFP is a load of wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: £117m release clause, think we'd honour even if Psg weren't in the listed clubs. We'd be mad not to tbh. Keeps us going for years like villa and grealish. If he wants to go then yes, if not we need to build our entire team around him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) The club can't keep complaining about FFP/PSR when we consistently seem to shop in the most expensive market there is here in this country and the PL. We have a £120m outlay on Gordon, Livramento and Barnes. The first of which has indeed come good this season, the second of which has excelled yet makes for bleemin' Dan Burn at the first opportunity and the latter of which has only played 185 minutes thus far this season. The outlay could become ~£155m if Hall's deal is made permanent even though Matt Ritchie gets on the pitch ahead of him. I imagine what is a reasonable amount of wages is going on de facto cheerleaders in Ritchie, Dummett, Gillespie and dead wood such as Manquillo and Targett plus players who could be sold for a reasonableish fee whom we could afford moving on due to availability or ability such as Wilson or Almirón. Bruno we can't win a football match without even against dross opposition, this season and last. Isak is by far and away one of the best strikers we've had in the last 15 years and Botman is a top centre half and only going to improve given his age. We still need a RW and a CB, two positions we neglected to improve in the summer. If any of those 3 players leave then we'll go 2 steps back and given the links we consistently seem to get, many of which are based on nowt, granted, I can't see us going 3 steps forward. This seems like a rant about the club's transfer dealings and/or owners and maybe it is (I don't like Eales, think he's in front of the cameras far too much for a PL CEO, that 'mackem in Milan' thing at the CL draw ) but I guess its more of a 'fuck FFP/PSR' rant. Just venting. Edited January 11 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: The club can't keep complaining about FFP/PSR when we consistently seem to shop in the most expensive market there is here in this country and the PL. We have a £120m outlay on Gordon, Livramento and Barnes. The first of which has indeed come good this season, the second of which has excelled yet makes for bleemin' Dan Burn at the first opportunity and the latter of which has only played 185 minutes thus far this season. The outlay could become ~£155m if Hall's deal is made permanent even though Matt Ritchie gets on the pitch ahead of him. I imagine what is a reasonable amount of wages is going on de facto cheerleaders in Ritchie, Dummett, Gillespie and dead wood such as Manquillo and Targett plus players who could be sold for a reasonableish fee whom we could afford moving on due to availability or ability such as Wilson or Almirón. Bruno we can't win a football match without even against dross opposition, this season and last. Isak is by far and away one of the best strikers we've had in the last 15 years and Botman is a top centre half and only going to improve given his age. We still need a RW and a CB, two positions we neglected to improve in the summer. If any of those 3 players leave then we'll go 2 steps back and given the links we consistently seem to get, many of which are based on nowt, granted, I can't see us going 3 steps forward. This seems like a rant about the club's transfer dealings and/or owners and maybe it is (I don't like Eales, think he's in front of the cameras far too much for a PL CEO, that 'mackem in Milan' thing at the CL draw ) but I guess its more of a 'fuck FFP/PSR' rant. Just venting. I still can’t believe we let Shelvey go without a replacement… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 19 minutes ago, Dokko said: £117m release clause, think we'd honour even if Psg weren't in the listed clubs. We'd be mad not to tbh. Keeps us going for years like villa and grealish. If it is a release clause, you've got no choice but to honour it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, brummie said: If it is a release clause, you've got no choice but to honour it. Think he meant even if PSG weren’t one of the clubs eligible for the release clause, if they offered that amount we’d accept it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, brummie said: If it is a release clause, you've got no choice but to honour it. Or we could pull a John Henry (we won’t). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, brummie said: If it is a release clause, you've got no choice but to honour it. Not sure how you misread that, but NwMag has it covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Barnes23 said: Bruno is as close to irreplaceable as you'll find in our current squad. Would rather sell anybody else. So was Cole in ‘95. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Dokko said: Not sure how you misread that, but NwMag has it covered. Ah yes, you're right, as you were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I've since learnt Keegan and Cole simply had a falling out. That was the main driver of the transfer. Not some grand plan to improve the squad. These lot won't make an emotional decision one way or the other. No, but the outcome was the same regardless of the context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: The club can't keep complaining about FFP/PSR when we consistently seem to shop in the most expensive market there is here in this country and the PL. We have a £120m outlay on Gordon, Livramento and Barnes. The first of which has indeed come good this season, the second of which has excelled yet makes for bleemin' Dan Burn at the first opportunity and the latter of which has only played 185 minutes thus far this season. The outlay could become ~£155m if Hall's deal is made permanent even though Matt Ritchie gets on the pitch ahead of him. I imagine what is a reasonable amount of wages is going on de facto cheerleaders in Ritchie, Dummett, Gillespie and dead wood such as Manquillo and Targett plus players who could be sold for a reasonableish fee whom we could afford moving on due to availability or ability such as Wilson or Almirón. Bruno we can't win a football match without even against dross opposition, this season and last. Isak is by far and away one of the best strikers we've had in the last 15 years and Botman is a top centre half and only going to improve given his age. We still need a RW and a CB, two positions we neglected to improve in the summer. If any of those 3 players leave then we'll go 2 steps back and given the links we consistently seem to get, many of which are based on nowt, granted, I can't see us going 3 steps forward. This seems like a rant about the club's transfer dealings and/or owners and maybe it is (I don't like Eales, think he's in front of the cameras far too much for a PL CEO, that 'mackem in Milan' thing at the CL draw ) but I guess its more of a 'fuck FFP/PSR' rant. Just venting. Isak is easily the best striker we’ve had in 20+ years, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Isak is easily the best striker we’ve had in 20+ years, tbh. He’s irreplaceable, selling him would be such a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: The club can't keep complaining about FFP/PSR when we consistently seem to shop in the most expensive market there is here in this country and the PL. We have a £120m outlay on Gordon, Livramento and Barnes. The first of which has indeed come good this season, the second of which has excelled yet makes for bleemin' Dan Burn at the first opportunity and the latter of which has only played 185 minutes thus far this season. The outlay could become ~£155m if Hall's deal is made permanent even though Matt Ritchie gets on the pitch ahead of him. I imagine what is a reasonable amount of wages is going on de facto cheerleaders in Ritchie, Dummett, Gillespie and dead wood such as Manquillo and Targett plus players who could be sold for a reasonableish fee whom we could afford moving on due to availability or ability such as Wilson or Almirón. Bruno we can't win a football match without even against dross opposition, this season and last. Isak is by far and away one of the best strikers we've had in the last 15 years and Botman is a top centre half and only going to improve given his age. We still need a RW and a CB, two positions we neglected to improve in the summer. If any of those 3 players leave then we'll go 2 steps back and given the links we consistently seem to get, many of which are based on nowt, granted, I can't see us going 3 steps forward. This seems like a rant about the club's transfer dealings and/or owners and maybe it is (I don't like Eales, think he's in front of the cameras far too much for a PL CEO, that 'mackem in Milan' thing at the CL draw ) but I guess its more of a 'fuck FFP/PSR' rant. Just venting. I think you need to calm down a bit. First of all, we haven't bought these elite players to sell on for a profit. These players are here to stay. We (the club) decide which players to sign and the only thing stopping our great club from doing this is the Premier league. From day one of our takeover they have implemented loads of various (some illegal) rules to stop us from progressing. We will get there at the end because we have the utmost professional people on board. Stay calm and focussed. We will defeat them eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 26 minutes ago, brummie said: If it is a release clause, you've got no choice but to honour it. IF the player involved is receptive. Bruno loves The Toon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 24 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Or we could pull a John Henry (we won’t). Suarez? His agent dropped the ball with the small print. Anything over £40m allowed clubs to talk to him not to actually buy him. Bizarre? Yes. Very embarrassing for his agent and Arsenal who bid £40,000,001. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Aye, of the three jewels in the crown Isak is the one I'd be most gutted to see go. The lad is elite. If they are contemplating letting one go then hopefully they go to an oversees club. Being forced to sell our best players to open up funds which we have anyway is bad enough but to see any of that shower of the top 6 get them would be nauseating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) I don't agree that the domestic market is bad value. In a world where every signing is ultimately a gamble that can leave you hamstrung by FFP, signing a player for £30-35 million from England can be much less of a risk than a punt for £15-20m from Europe. More likely the player adapts to the area/team/culture/physicality and it is easier to do due diligence on player's background through existing agent/player networks (Tonali cough cough). But perhaps more crucially there is a safety net in terms of resale value to the host of other wealthy PL clubs - both if they flop and if they excel. Foreign players (Europe/South America) there is undoubtedly better value to be found - but it's also just as likely you get a flop that you may end up giving away for nowt. It's about being open to all markets, but including a significant amount of domestic players in your recruitment is not a bad thing. Certainly not anymore considering the quality of English players and the overall talent level in PL/Championship. Edited January 11 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 23 minutes ago, Rod said: IF the player involved is receptive. Bruno loves The Toon. but he;s also mentioned before how important playing in the champions league is for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 22 minutes ago, huss9 said: but he;s also mentioned before how important playing in the champions league is for him. He left Lyon who were in the CL to join us who were heading for relegation did he not? Im sure he would love to play in it every year like any good player but don’t underestimate simply playing in EPL what it does for his profile etc. His Brazil squad position hardly depends on CL football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, LFEE said: He left Lyon who were in the CL to join us who were heading for relegation did he not? Correct, they were in the Europa League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 15 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Correct, they were in the Europa League. Yeah wasn’t sure despite someone claiming it the other day. Think it was the year before he joined. My overall point still stands though. I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t finish 25/26 with us never mind 24/25. Leap of faith as obviously I don’t know the details but actually think we’ve negotiated a release clause that would only allow a few small number of teams to sign him and I doubt any of them see him as good enough. Especially at the fee we could demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I would rather we sold Bruno than either Isak or Botman. Bruno is class but those two are World Class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, duo said: I would rather we sold Bruno than either Isak or Botman. Bruno is class but those two are World Class. If it's a choice between the three I have to agree. And also because it's easier to find class/world class CMs than it is to find world class strikers or CBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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