AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 As much as I love ASM it’s not comparable to selling Cole. That would be like selling Bruno or Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Barnes isn't really predictable, he's two-footed and can score goals from both sides. He's more of a wide forward where ASM is a winger. Maybe that's what we are looking for. Very few players in the PL focus primarily on beating people in 1-v-1 situations. Even if they do it's more a quick drop of the shoulder to get a pass or shot away. Aye, I didn't mean so much the individual attributes he has in front of goal (he clearly is an excellent finisher who can pick up goalscoring positions well) but moreso what his weaknesses as a player (1v1, vision to unlock a deep defence etc) could mean for our patterns of play when attacking as a team. It's an open question, because his strengths and weaknesses both have to be looked at in the context of the players around him and our style of play as a collective, but it's a debate worth having, even though Howe and the recruitment team have earned our trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: What elite teams and players have offences built on 1-2s? I mean "one twos" is a massive oversimplification, intentionally. What you're talking about in tactical terms is creating overloads or getting players into critical areas of space and having the ability to exploit them. So yeah, fucking all of them actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, mrmojorisin75 said: Our entire offence is built on one twos and getting into space between/behind FB and CB. Barnes is Mig for the left. Can people not see this? Attack not offence . This isnt American football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Looking forward to seeing Barnes, like. Certainly more of a player for Eddie's system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Great bit of business this, clearly ASM isnt the type of player Howe can rely on to play the way he wants and would become a bench option. Makes sense to cash in on him. Barnes will be excellent i think and fits in with the way we play these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Hope reckons Barnes will join the squad in America over the weekend/early next week, as per his post match vid last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Think this guy will get alot of goals for us considering how many chances we wasted last season. Happy to get him if Howe thinks its best to get rid of ASM. The funds from the sale will hopefully allow room for signing a more attacking left back aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Displayname said: Think this guy will get alot of goals for us considering how many chances we wasted last season. Happy to get him if Howe thinks its best to get rid of ASM. The funds from the sale will hopefully allow room for signing a more attacking left back aswell. Weirdly a lot of those chances were created by ASM for a midfielder to miss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, mrmojorisin75 said: I mean "one twos" is a massive oversimplification, intentionally. What you're talking about in tactical terms is creating overloads or getting players into critical areas of space and having the ability to exploit them. So yeah, fucking all of them actually. It wasn’t an oversimplification. You meant it. And now you’re trying to make it sound relevant. Our wide players don’t have the quality to do that. Almiron is technically limited. So while he has good movement and pace, he’s dependent on Bruno and Trips finding him with excellent passes that give him time and space. On the left Joe’s combine well but sometimes there’s a lack of ideas and creativity. Can’t speak too much on Gordon, he also seems to like a give and go, uses both feet but doesn’t have ‘his moves’. From our 4, there’s not anyone that demands the ball like a Diaz, Grealish, Saka, Mitoma etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Weirdly a lot of those chances were created by ASM for a midfielder to miss True Still think he will get alot more chances here than he did at Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrmojorisin75 said: Our entire offence is built on one twos and getting into space between/behind FB and CB. Barnes is Mig for the left. Can people not see this? Exactly. Howe doesn’t expect creativity from the wide forwards; he expects goals. Bruno, Trippier, and now Tonali are our playmakers. Edited July 19, 2023 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Deuce said: Exactly. Howe doesn’t expect creativity from the wide forwards: he expects goals. Bruno, Trippier, and now Tonali are our playmakers. I think you can even add Schar to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Clubs do their own medicals, why would it need "booked" in? Haven't sent them to a private hospital in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: It wasn’t an oversimplification. You meant it. And now you’re trying to make it sound relevant. Our wide players don’t have the quality to do that. Almiron is technically limited. So while he has good movement and pace, he’s dependent on Bruno and Trips finding him with excellent passes that give him time and space. On the left Joe’s combine well but sometimes there’s a lack of ideas and creativity. Can’t speak too much on Gordon, he also seems to like a give and go, uses both feet but doesn’t have ‘his moves’. From our 4, there’s not anyone that demands the ball like a Diaz, Grealish, Saka, Mitoma etc. are you mad/blind? a lot of almirons goals last year came from one-twos... Fulham (a) Southampton (a) Leicester (a) Wolves (h) plus a few screamers Just off the top of my head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Deuce said: Exactly. Howe doesn’t expect creativity from the wide forwards; he expects goals. Bruno, Trippier, and now Tonali are our playmakers. Tonali isn’t that type of player. Even Liverpool had Firmino in their pomp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Cookie1892 said: are you mad/blind? a lot of almirons goals last year came from one-twos... Fulham (a) Southampton (a) Leicester (a) Wolves (h) plus a few screamers Just off the top of my head It's actually one of Almiron's greatest qualities, when he gives the ball he's immediately darting into space for the return, and he does it at pace as well. If he had a bit more venom in his shooting he would be one of the best players in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Cookie1892 said: are you mad/blind? a lot of almirons goals last year came from one-twos... Fulham (a) Southampton (a) Leicester (a) Wolves (h) plus a few screamers Just off the top of my head All of those were before January, no? Teams clocked that move and Almirons output slowed. I’ve grown to like Almiron. His pressing is the gold standard,he makes good runs. But he’s limited technically and that will always limit his ceiling. He has to run around the ball to control it a particular way with his left. There’s a limit to the type of attack you can build around Almiron because the lad is limited. Contrast that with Isak. The ceiling is so high because the lad can do so much. Edited July 19, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It was very interesting to see Tonali making the underlapping version of the Miggy run last night. Longstaff does that a bit but obviously rarely does anything when the ball comes to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 If we get Barnes and Liveramento then that will be 8 English players bought for our squad since the takeover - wonder if any other Prem team is close to that in the same period of time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Barnes shooting technique with both feet from inside and outside of the box makes me think he’s far less a pass and move into space and hit with his preferred foot player like Almiron generally has shown. Barnes is someone who you can’t show a specific way because he isn’t 1 footed, and his assists looked pretty damn good when he had a settled CF playing regularly. We will have Isak and Wilson. Dumbing down his game is a bit classic NO as you can get. Elite sides exploit space through passing and movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It was very interesting to see Tonali making the underlapping version of the Miggy run last night. Longstaff does that a bit but obviously rarely does anything when the ball comes to him. And Longstaff ended up in so many goal scoring positions last season, so that's great news! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: If we get Barnes and Liveramento then that will be 8 English players bought for our squad since the takeover - wonder if any other Prem team is close to that in the same period of time? Eddie Howe's white army. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Orphanage said: Attack not offence . This isnt American football Also Micah Richards can fuck off with his stupid 'turnovers' analysis the daft cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: If we get Barnes and Liveramento then that will be 8 English players bought for our squad since the takeover - wonder if any other Prem team is close to that in the same period of time? 16 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Eddie Howe's white army. Lascelles, Lewis, Murphy, Hayden, Willock and Wilson want a word... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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