Harvey Barnes

[huss9]

9 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It was painful to watch. Not sure there is any answer, Targett would have worked better IMO, but he's not really the overlapping type either tbf. At least he can cross with his left foot, but he's not match ready anyway.

Targett used to be a canny crosser and overlapper

but we needed to get tino settled at LB in preaparation to face Salah.

 

[Dr Venkman]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

Doesn't start for me on Sunday as I think he may well have more impact off the bench. The way I'd play I'd probably start Willock.

Are you alright mate?

[El Prontonise]

I'd be starting Barnes ahead of Willock for Sunday.  We need to have a threat on that left side.

[nufc123]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

Doesn't start for me on Sunday as I think he may well have more impact off the bench. The way I'd play I'd probably start Willock.

I dont want Willock anywhere near the starting line up. Is Barnes perfect? No. We may only get a few chances, and I want Barnes to be there to take that chance.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

40 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

I'd be starting Barnes ahead of Willock for Sunday.  We need to have a threat on that left side.

And to give the ball away less if possible. 

[Wallsendmag]

As much as I'm not his biggest fan and I sometimes feel he's a bit of a passenger when he's on the pitch he has this canny knack of creating goals. I know it's a bit of a myth about Wembley being such a massive pitch but for whatever reason players do seem to get that bit more time and space there, especially in the 2nd half. I think that'll suit him and if that enables him just to get 2 or 3 more crosses over he has to start. Simple as that.

[ExiledGeordie]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

As much as I'm not his biggest fan and I sometimes feel he's a bit of a passenger when he's on the pitch he has this canny knack of creating goals. I know it's a bit of a myth about Wembley being such a massive pitch but for whatever reason players do seem to get that bit more time and space there, especially in the 2nd half. I think that'll suit him and if that enables him just to get 2 or 3 more crosses over he has to start. Simple as that.

He's also a legitimate threat from outside the box too with his striking of the ball. 

[Sibierski]

13 hours ago, huss9 said:

he was restricted by not having an overlapping left footer.

Tino overlapped plenty in the game, Tino playing didn’t restrict Barnes thinking he needed to shoot every time he had the ball. Even goal last night came from  Barnes shooting first when it was never on and it fortunately coming back to him. 
 

Like people slagged off Tino for not continuing chasing a lost cause when Barnes over hit a simple pass for the overlap, and it’s that type of thing Barnes lacks. The pass to Isak other week for his disallowed goal, Barnes held onto it a stride longer than he should and Isak could only hold his run for so long.

 

Still rather he started in final over Willock though. 

[La Parka]

He's more like a wide striker than a inverted winger. Always been the finisher rather than the creator. 

 

 

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, La Parka said:

He's more like a wide striker than a inverted winger. Always been the finisher rather than the creator. 

 

 

In 442 days he definitely plays up top - is considered a little lazy / poacher

[La Parka]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

In 442 days he definitely plays up top - is considered a little lazy / poacher

Ashley Barnes 😅 

[1964]

1 hour ago, nufc123 said:

I dont want Willock anywhere near the starting line up. Is Barnes perfect? No. We may only get a few chances, and I want Barnes to be there to take that chance.

I don't think willock ever has control of the ball 

[Ilovetoon8788]

Barnes on Sunday without a doubt. He's a threat from outside the box and livepool will have something to think about when he gets the ball in dangerous areas.

and he knows how to put the ball in the net. the threat he offers alone is enough to warrant a start over Willock.

[Heron]

2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

Are you alright mate?

I'm fine.

 

I think we should be approaching the game with the idea of going toe to toe with them. With Botman and Hall out we're pretty threadbare sitting in and defending all game especially when they have a whole host of players who can score from outside the area.

 

Barnes isn't going to be the man to close them down and press them high with enough pace and intensity to really do it enough effect. I think that's where Willock comes in and perhaps can drop into a midfield 4 if the game dictates it when we're our of possession.

 

Barnes is bringing more goals and assists, which I understand, but from the point of view of us not having the ball much I feel Willock suits us better and is also more effective when the game is stretched.

[Dr Venkman]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

I'm fine.

 

I think we should be approaching the game with the idea of going toe to toe with them. With Botman and Hall out we're pretty threadbare sitting in and defending all game especially when they have a whole host of players who can score from outside the area.

 

Barnes isn't going to be the man to close them down and press them high with enough pace and intensity to really do it enough effect. I think that's where Willock comes in and perhaps can drop into a midfield 4 if the game dictates it when we're our of possession.

 

Barnes is bringing more goals and assists, which I understand, but from the point of view of us not having the ball much I feel Willock suits us better and is also more effective when the game is stretched.

Hmm, fair enough. That’s well considered. I was just thinking all I’ve seen from Willock recently is ineffectiveness on the ball, and Barnes is a goal threat, massive in a one off game.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

Hmm, fair enough. That’s well considered. I was just thinking all I’ve seen from Willock recently is ineffectiveness on the ball, and Barnes is a goal threat, massive in a one off game.

That's also right. Depends how we approach the game I guess.

[The College Dropout]

IMO if we are going to win, we will need to score first or have something to defend in the last 10 minutes.

 

If Liverpool have a lead to defend, they'll see it out. They will be too composed and we will lack it.

 

With that in mind, we start with our strongest attacking players. Barnes starts. Willock is fresh legs, hopefully to defend rather than score.

[jonny1403]

35 minutes ago, Heron said:

I'm fine.

 

I think we should be approaching the game with the idea of going toe to toe with them. With Botman and Hall out we're pretty threadbare sitting in and defending all game especially when they have a whole host of players who can score from outside the area.

 

Barnes isn't going to be the man to close them down and press them high with enough pace and intensity to really do it enough effect. I think that's where Willock comes in and perhaps can drop into a midfield 4 if the game dictates it when we're our of possession.

 

Barnes is bringing more goals and assists, which I understand, but from the point of view of us not having the ball much I feel Willock suits us better and is also more effective when the game is stretched.

 

When have you seen evidence of Willock performing that role effectively in the last 12 months?

[Heron]

1 hour ago, jonny1403 said:

 

When have you seen evidence of Willock performing that role effectively in the last 12 months?

I haven't seen Barnes perform that role either...

 

Barnes has nabbed a few more goals this season but Willock has been known to perform that role better than Barnes (historically speaking for us).

[gbandit]

Would be baffling to me to play Willock over Barnes in the final. I say that as someone who has continually backed Willock and always rated him. Sadly, his return this season has barely shown flashes. He has had a couple of moments where he’s been able to run at pace into space and looked good doing that but the rest of his game has been poor. He’s looked really complacent, he’s mistimed a lot of passes and misread the game constantly with his movement. I just think his head isn’t in it for whatever reason. 
 

Barnes is a similar player in that he doesn’t have the fire and competitiveness to really turn up game after game and take control of a game. However, he is exceptionally good at striking the ball and good at cutting inside and laying off or finding teammates. I’d be playing Barnes every time 

[Monters]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

IMO if we are going to win, we will need to score first or have something to defend in the last 10 minutes.

 

If Liverpool have a lead to defend, they'll see it out. They will be too composed and we will lack it.

 

With that in mind, we start with our strongest attacking players. Barnes starts. Willock is fresh legs, hopefully to defend rather than score.

As much as my hatred f Liverpool makes me want to disagree, I simply can't... We really need to score first to have any chance, I appreciate we can't be overly naïve and get picked off but we do need to rattle them. I found the last final so frustrating as we never really laid a glove on them after the wanky first goal that I still maintain was a dive!

Might be biased though 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

10 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Would be baffling to me to play Willock over Barnes in the final. I say that as someone who has continually backed Willock and always rated him. Sadly, his return this season has barely shown flashes. He has had a couple of moments where he’s been able to run at pace into space and looked good doing that but the rest of his game has been poor. He’s looked really complacent, he’s mistimed a lot of passes and misread the game constantly with his movement. I just think his head isn’t in it for whatever reason. 
 

Barnes is a similar player in that he doesn’t have the fire and competitiveness to really turn up game after game and take control of a game. However, he is exceptionally good at striking the ball and good at cutting inside and laying off or finding teammates. I’d be playing Barnes every time 

 

I still have hope that Howe can get another level of competitiveness and strength out of Barnes. Doesn't help he plays the same position as Gordon obviously. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

So much of our attacking play was disjointed last night. Feels very much that the team is used to Gordon being there. Loads of passes underhit or played behind the player. Hard for anyone to shine particularly. 
 

If Barnes can find himself in a one-on-one like Gordon oftentimes does, other than isak, there’s not a player I’d rather it fall to. 

[54]

A hypothetical for everyone, with Barnes there has been a lot of discussion about how his £40M wasn't worth it, and it was a waste of funds, which as much as I like Barnes I tend to agree with, but if he scores the winner on Sunday, does that fee become worth it, and that talk dissipate?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Who knows, there are loads of good arguments for the Barnes signing but I guess scoring in the cup final is a decent one to add.