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On 18/03/2025 at 05:43, aussiemag said:

I would keep him left and play Gordon on the right. 


Yep. Barnes LW & Gordon RW gives you more than Gordon LW & Barnes RW if that’s the two you go with IMO.

 

Would think after that Gordon starts on the bench next game he’s available. He’s not exactly been great last month or so. See how Barnes does.

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3 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Murphy is more effective on the right than either Barnes or Gordon imo


100% this. It’s Gordon on the left with Barnes a very able deputy who will get plenty minutes next season as we compete on 4 fronts. Murphy will hopefully be the backup RW going forward. Delighted the pair of them paid a huge part in our history. 

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I'd keep Barnes as the starter on the left wing tbh. Thought his general direct dribbling and aggression were really class. 

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To be fair to him, I've no idea where Schar was going for that cutback. If you watch it again, all he has to do is stay next to Barnes for a simple tap in but he runs away from the ball and behind Virgil.  

 

If that or the set up for Isak go in then we've walked a third in and it all becomes too easy really. Was better how it all ended anyway. We can hammer the next team we face in a final.

 

 

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On 19/03/2025 at 18:00, Holloway said:

Murphy is more effective on the right than either Barnes or Gordon imo


Agreed, I think Barnes was bought as Howe saw Gordon playing on the right wing and Barnes the left. Never remotely worked for either player though. Playing on the left they cut inside using mostly their right foot, whilst playing on the right they cut inside using mostly their left foot. I think Barnes will be on his way in the summer as I can't see him wanting another season mainly on the bench. I'm not sure how that works with PSR wise though as I wouldn't imagine we would get the same fee and he's only ran down two years of his contract. 

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I thought he kept making some really narrow, almost striker type runs in behind against West Ham and Liverpool and mentioned it in here. 
 

Watching that James Allcott analysis and he certainly did. 
 

Offers something different to Gordon. Certainly more of a goal/assist/try and get the ball into the box threat. 

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58 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I thought he kept making some really narrow, almost striker type runs in behind against West Ham and Liverpool and mentioned it in here. 
 

Watching that James Allcott analysis and he certainly did. 
 

Offers something different to Gordon. Certainly more of a goal/assist/try and get the ball into the box threat. 


He certainly was more than ok last two games. Might need him as Tuchel said Gordon's injury didn't look good (heard that before and he was playing next game mind and he has a week and a half before next game)

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Just now, David Edgar said:

So happy Barnes should get a run of games. He'll be brilliant. 


Hope so as we certainly still have a chance of finishing top five. If we can maintain anything near the level of performance we did on Sunday, then we have a great chance, especially with six games at home

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He'll be going nowhere cannot see us selling him. And why should we? 

He's different to Gordon not as quick but is a threat and intelligent and most importantly he scores goals. 

 

 

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There’s no reason Gordon couldn’t play on the right. Everything he’s good at would be more suited on the other side but it looks like he doesn’t want to play there. Playing Barnes on the right when he comes on makes no sense at all to me, he can’t do it.

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Think he will get an extended run at LW even when Gordon is back.

 

Eddie is big on merit and the fact is that Gordon hasn’t been in the best form and then went and got stupidly sent off, something that was a huge factor in us being knocked out of a very winnable cup competition. Barnes on the other hand was most recently a significant cog in one of the most important victories in the history of the club.

 

I think there’s still a decent chance Barnes gets moved on in the summer but right now it should be his position to lose. 

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2 hours ago, Shak said:

Think he will get an extended run at LW even when Gordon is back.

 

Eddie is big on merit and the fact is that Gordon hasn’t been in the best form and then went and got stupidly sent off, something that was a huge factor in us being knocked out of a very winnable cup competition. Barnes on the other hand was most recently a significant cog in one of the most important victories in the history of the club.

 

I think there’s still a decent chance Barnes gets moved on in the summer but right now it should be his position to lose. 

 

There are certain players that Howe will allways prefer as first choice, even if the backup did well while he was away. For example Burn straight back at LB last season when Livra was doing well there. Barnes was benched at the start of the season during a run of form, since Howe wanted Gordon back at his preferred position. Maybe things will be different this time though, lets see..

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10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Do we need to sign a backup LW in that case? 


I think the idea would be to sign a more versatile player rather than a strictly backup LW.

 

The issue is that Gordon and Barnes both seem like they can only play LW. In a world without PSR, us having Gordon and Barnes rotating at that spot would be ideal. But it’s still a balancing act in that regard unfortunately.

 

I think if you sell Barnes (or Gordon… we’d get a lot more for him) you use the money to bring in someone with a bit more versatility. Ideally sign a LW who is also comfortable playing CF. Or maybe you sign a CF and use Isak left at times, though I’d prefer the previous option.

 

Could sign another CM option with Joelinton playing left when needed. Osula seems like he’s better suited to playing wide rather than through the middle, left would suit him better too you’d imagine. Sanusi might be sniffing around the first team soon enough also.

 

I think ideally we’ll keep him and have two very good LW options. But I can see the logic in him being moved on to give us PSR wiggle room.

 

There's also the issue of how Barnes feels about it. He'll get plenty of football next year but when push comes to shove I think Gordon will be the one in the starting lineup for bigger games.

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3 hours ago, andycap said:

He'll be going nowhere cannot see us selling him. And why should we? 

He's different to Gordon not as quick but is a threat and intelligent and most importantly he scores goals. 

 

 


I'm thinking more him than us. Howe has always said he will listen to players if they're looking to move on

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If we sell him I’d be devastated.  With European games next season we need a squad.  If Gordon has injured his hip I am relaxed let him recover and let Barnes have a run.  He is part of the legends of 25 and I’m here for it.

 

Remainder of the season is a free hit.  We are already in Europe it’s just a matter of which UEFA completion we play in.

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On 19/03/2025 at 18:00, Holloway said:

Murphy is more effective on the right than either Barnes or Gordon imo


We don’t know as neither had a sustained run but from limited sample I’d agree regarding Barnes hence what lead me to my post.

 

If you want Barnes in the team it must be the left IMO. If Gordon could improve on Murphy on the RW then so be it.

 

The truth is Gordon is out of form so doesn’t start either side for me.

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Should definitely be looking to keep him, as he offers a goal threat in most circumstances. 

 

He's been unlucky getting injured at time where he either looked like he was in a good run of form or when he had a chance to play back to back games. 

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