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5 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

I genuinely thought Tino had the higher ceiling but this kid is everywhere at the moment. He’s the archetypal modern full back.

 

To be fair, as good as Hall is going forward, I think Tino isn't far off, but from a defensive stand point. And this is often easier to overlook.

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11 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

To be fair, as good as Hall is going forward, I think Tino isn't far off, but from a defensive stand point. And this is often easier to overlook.

 

I'm sure I've said before but I think that they're going to be a massively complimentary pairing for us and England long term. Tino offering the defensive steel while Hall goes forward, but neither being a big liability going the other way so they can swap that role from time to time to keep opponents on their toes.

 

The way Hall plays he's going to get the plaudits but I hope it doesn't lead people to think Tino is a disappointment by comparison as he's still on course to be a fantastic player, just in a different mould. 

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22 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

I genuinely thought Tino had the higher ceiling but this kid is everywhere at the moment. He’s the archetypal modern full back.

 

They are just different really.

 

Tino is comfortably better defensively than Hall.

 

Hall better offensively while Tino better defensively.

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1 minute ago, Aiston said:

 

They are just different really.

 

Tino is comfortably better defensively than Hall.

 

Hall better offensively while Tino better defensively.


I think Tino is stronger and quicker so looks better in races with wingers. But otherwise there’s not much between them defensively IMO. Hall is great in the air, for example. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, wormy said:

 

I'm sure I've said before but I think that they're going to be a massively complimentary pairing for us and England long term. Tino offering the defensive steel while Hall goes forward, but neither being a big liability going the other way so they can swap that role from time to time to keep opponents on their toes.

 

The way Hall plays he's going to get the plaudits but I hope it doesn't lead people to think Tino is a disappointment by comparison as he's still on course to be a fantastic player, just in a different mould. 

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

Me, I love good defending and good defenders, and so I really like Tino. 

 

Got great height, speed, strength and athleticism at full back.

 

He has all the attributes and stamina to be a threat going forward too, and just needs to work on his final ball.

 

There was a point with Trippier where he was giving away so many chances at the far post defensively, and those have all been shut down since Tino came in.

 

He's a beast defensively. I can't really remember the last left winger that really caused us major problems since he came in.

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19 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

Me, I love good defending and good defenders, and so I really like Tino. 

 

Got great height, speed, strength and athleticism at full back.

 

He has all the attributes and stamina to be a threat going forward too, and just needs to work on his final ball.

 

There was a point with Trippier where he was giving away so many chances at the far post defensively, and those have all been shut down since Tino came in.

 

He's a beast defensively. I can't really remember the last left winger that really caused us major problems since he came in.

 

I'm sure I remember Livramento being a real threat down the right hand side for Southampton- bombing down the wing and playing so far forward sometimes he was almost looking like a winger. IIRC there were some Southampton fans commenting that he could be the next Bale when we signed him (or was it an ex teammate making comments to that effect?)

 

Definitely agree he has the tools to develop that side of his game a great deal and really kick on. 

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I haven't been able to catch a replay of the match yet but watching the goals it's so satisfying to watch AG make use of him. It's been a bit frustrating at times seeing him make a good run and get ignored by someone favouring to just cut inside or pass to someone a less threatening position.

 

Hopefully this is the realisation of how far he could go in replacing Trips's attacking contribution. 

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2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

To be fair, as good as Hall is going forward, I think Tino isn't far off, but from a defensive stand point. And this is often easier to overlook.

Tino almost never gets beaten 1-on-1. Doku did him with a drag back last season, but other than that I can’t really remember him being done. 
 

Hall moving forward with the ball is absolute sex though.

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51 minutes ago, wormy said:

I haven't been able to catch a replay of the match yet but watching the goals it's so satisfying to watch AG make use of him. It's been a bit frustrating at times seeing him make a good run and get ignored by someone favouring to just cut inside or pass to someone a less threatening position.

 

Hopefully this is the realisation of how far he could go in replacing Trips's attacking contribution. 

 

 

Yea, he and Gordon were really on the same page today. 

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Hopefully Hall and Gordon both know that they could form Newcastle and England’s left side for years to come. If they can develop a good relationship then they’ll be sorted.

 

It was nice to see Gordon using Hall on the overlap a couple of times at least. Gordon was very positive in giving the ball to others in general yesterday. 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Barnes23 said:

 

I'm sure I remember Livramento being a real threat down the right hand side for Southampton- bombing down the wing and playing so far forward sometimes he was almost looking like a winger. IIRC there were some Southampton fans commenting that he could be the next Bale when we signed him (or was it an ex teammate making comments to that effect?)

 

Definitely agree he has the tools to develop that side of his game a great deal and really kick on. 


Tino was exactly this at Southampton - kind of similar in style to Cafu - Shame he isn’t being provided with that freedom in our set up - it may be because we lack a RCB with pace so he needs to hold his position, and we don’t have an inverted winger meaning he doesn’t have the space to run into 

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15 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

To be fair, as good as Hall is going forward, I think Tino isn't far off, but from a defensive stand point. And this is often easier to overlook.

 

Agree, while I love Hall's willingness to fly down the flanks, I will be interested to see how he does on Wednesday against Brentford. Mbuemo gave him a bit of a torrid time down there, so would like to think he'll be better prepared this time round.

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