arnonel Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 This is mental strange one for me. Why oh why put him on the bench? Surely some time in reserves to get match fit is better than sitting on bench every night. Its mental.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 14 minutes ago, Kimbo said: The cynic in me thinks Howe didn’t want him, he probably wanted someone else, so is making a point. It happens a lot in football. From the little I’ve seen I don’t believe lack of ability is the issue. Things will be clearer in the summer when we see if there’s an obligation to buy. If thars it then ruining a young lads career is a dick move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 Also bugs me that reporters don't ask him about it in press conferences Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 nee one know his fatha or his rellies up here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Conjo said: Looked very happy too. That bits always interesting to me. He seems to chat away happily with younger first team players like Gordon. He doesn't look upset that his career's disintegrating. So there's a chance it isn't, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 3 hours ago, arnonel said: Also bugs me that reporters don't ask him about it in press conferences. They do, especially lately. Howe just gives absolutely zilch away on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Kimbo said: The cynic in me thinks Howe didn’t want him, he probably wanted someone else, so is making a point. It happens a lot in football. From the little I’ve seen I don’t believe lack of ability is the issue. Things will be clearer in the summer when we see if there’s an obligation to buy. Ashworth has previously said Howe has to agree to all transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 Honestly there's so many unknowns here I'm reserving judgment until we see what happens after the season. If we pay the £30m then I will agree there were definitely times in Nov/Dec where we could and should have used him even if he's not fully up to expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 If signing this player helps bail Chelsea out of breaching FFP - I hope we don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonfanman Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 Based on all the speculation it appears this will be permanent based on our league position and not Hall’s game time. We’ve then decided/planned not to use him much this season so that we can claim he’s a youth player signing and we don’t take the hit on FFP. This was raised in a recent interview with Howe and he batted the question away without denying it. Hopefully we’ll see him feature more next season, but I’m still unsure what his best position is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 10 hours ago, arnonel said: Also bugs me that reporters don't ask him about it in press conferences They have asked pretty much every week for the last few weeks, think last time it was even brought up twice in the same conference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted February 28, 2024 Share Posted February 28, 2024 Kind of odd that he wouldn't play in the youth set up or one of the U teams. How can he possibly be match fit now after sitting for 6 months getting splinters in his arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 Gut feeling is he's going back to Chelsea in summer. There's been no clear reports on his loan terms besides a couple of blokes on twitter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 Has this been posted? It’s from a Ryder article after Arsenal: “The criteria to make Hall's move a permanent deal is believed to be based around appearances in a match day squad and United's final league position, to finish in or around the top 10.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 2 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Has this been posted? It’s from a Ryder article after Arsenal: “The criteria to make Hall's move a permanent deal is believed to be based around appearances in a match day squad and United's final league position, to finish in or around the top 10.” "Is believed" is journalese for "I'm guessing." (And "criteria" is a plural, but I wouldn't expect Ryder to know that.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 3 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Has this been posted? It’s from a Ryder article after Arsenal: “The criteria to make Hall's move a permanent deal is believed to be based around appearances in a match day squad and United's final league position, to finish in or around the top 10.” So there may be a positive in us finishing bottom half after all ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 Wonder if we pay less for him if he hasn’t played as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 6 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Has this been posted? It’s from a Ryder article after Arsenal: “The criteria to make Hall's move a permanent deal is believed to be based around appearances in a match day squad and United's final league position, to finish in or around the top 10.” Seems to be a few loopholes in that Lee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 In or around? Thanks Lee. The opacity of this deal is a little frustrating but I guess there’s good reasons for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 11 hours ago, toonfanman said: Based on all the speculation it appears this will be permanent based on our league position and not Hall’s game time. We’ve then decided/planned not to use him much this season so that we can claim he’s a youth player signing and we don’t take the hit on FFP. This was raised in a recent interview with Howe and he batted the question away without denying it. Hopefully we’ll see him feature more next season, but I’m still unsure what his best position is. Surely you can’t spend millions on youth players and not have that count towards FFP? Or have I read that wrong. Also he’s not playing in youth games for us is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonfanman Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 9 hours ago, Kimbo said: Surely you can’t spend millions on youth players and not have that count towards FFP? Or have I read that wrong. Also he’s not playing in youth games for us is he? The only information I've seen that defines a youth player is their age. There would need to be a clear FFP limit set on the fee to class as a first teamer or more likely games played for the first team rather than for the u21/u18s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 If I was Hall I'd be looking at making sure he's not with us next season. He's not been treated very well at all. If he can't get a game this season there is even less chance of him getting on the pitch going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 I dont think howe would be keeping him benched without good reason. What that reason might be Ive no idea. Bad training attitude, poor tactical understanding, unsettled in the area, ashworth power play - could literally be anything. Kids obviously got talent but maybe hes not quite as far along as Miley was/is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 29, 2024 Share Posted February 29, 2024 TRUST that's why ?. While Longstaff walks around the pitch leaving runners left right and centre Howe trusts longy fuck knows why. Hall has never been giving a chance and never will. while Eddie was playing the same eleven week in week out playing on fumes and getting a good pasting he couldn't even get a game what chance has he when our full squad is fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted March 1, 2024 Share Posted March 1, 2024 10 hours ago, Away Toon said: If I was Hall I'd be looking at making sure he's not with us next season. He's not been treated very well at all. If he can't get a game this season there is even less chance of him getting on the pitch going forward. We don't know that. Hall may know exactly what the situation is and be happy with it and putting the work in in training for all we know. We're probably not going to find out one way or the other until the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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