Optimistic Nut Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: That Richard Hughes we are linked with from Bournemouth is also being linked with Liverpool. Liverpool wouldn't be interested in someone who isn't best in class man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Additionally, hiring the Brentford moneyball master would be deciding to suddenly implement a very particular approach to recruitment, for which there's no evidence of us actually desiring to do so up to now. Is there anything to indicate that such a model would work for a team with aspirations of Champions League football, as opposed to promotion and consolidation? If we were to go in that direction I'd hope that it's because we've identified it as the approach which works for us, rather because he's a 'name'. On that note, I think it's plausible that we didn't know exactly what we wanted when we appointed Ashworth, and so the murmurings about the role not being what he expected potentially ring true to me. With that in mind, Eales & Co may now have more clarity on that, and we might therefore see someone appointed to a different title and with a different role - rather than a straight swap. So it could be someone we've not heard of or expected. I think this is well stated. We are in a different position from a financial standpoint than when we hired Ashworth, but more importantly, we are now fully staffed behind the scenes. Knowing how things went with Ashworth, we may well decide to change the remit of the Sporting Director role. Or replace it with something else. Whatever the situation, I would expect whoever is hired to be indicative of that chosen direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, Yorkie said: It's really quite fascinating to wonder where we might go from here. In terms of the live speculation; relative to other football staff (i.e. players and managers), there's only a very small number of directors who are apparently 'vogue' and therefore coveted - Ashworth was obviously one of them. Phil Giles is another because of Brentford's much-discussed model but, for that reason, it seems like a lazy link - not to mention the matter of him having a Geordie accent. I'd wager that it's equally likely there's nowt in that link than something. Additionally, hiring the Brentford moneyball master would be deciding to suddenly implement a very particular approach to recruitment, for which there's no evidence of us actually desiring to do so up to now. Is there anything to indicate that such a model would work for a team with aspirations of Champions League football, as opposed to promotion and consolidation? If we were to go in that direction I'd hope that it's because we've identified it as the approach which works for us, rather because he's a 'name'. On that note, I think it's plausible that we didn't know exactly what we wanted when we appointed Ashworth - we just made a dash for the most famous name in the most recognised role. As such, the murmurings about the role not being what he expected potentially ring true to me. With that in mind, Eales & Co may now have more clarity on the situation, and we might therefore see someone appointed to a different title and with a different role - rather than a straight swap. So it could be someone we've not heard of or expected. For me, the most important thing is that they are compatible with the absolutely exceptional manager we have and should cherish and do everything possible to make easy his job. If that means hiring another person from a Bournemouth persuasion, then fuck it, it gets my vote. You could argue that the Sporting Director should have some ideological independence from whichever manager you have but - as per my point above - maybe a Sporting Director isn't exactly what we want. Very curious whatever happens. Agree with most of this. I thought it was interesting that it was Eales doing that interview in January rather than Ashworth. The role itself seems to mean different things at different clubs. I hope now we have defined the role. We may even need several roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: There was a bit of agro between him and our owners wasn't there? I'm sure there were claims he wasn't impressed with our owners and turned the job down, but then Ghodoussi came out saying he was never offered the job. Yes that's right. That's a big part of why I stated I'd be concerned if we went back in for him. The fact he was buzzing around us very publicly the first time, and was pretty publicly rejected by Mehrdad, and then subsequently seemed to get a consolation prize in Saudi makes me fear - just a little bit - that there's a divide at the top of our club over who we should be hiring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 22 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: There was a bit of agro between him and our owners wasn't there? I'm sure there were claims he wasn't impressed with our owners and turned the job down, but then Ghodoussi came out saying he was never offered the job. I got the impression he wanted the job but we had never actually offered him it. In any case he ended up in Saudi so I doubt there's any bad blood, he was obviously earmarked for that role in SA itself. If anything that might be the reason he's not considered a serious contender for Newcastle now either, I would think the Saudis consider their own product more important than Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 15 minutes ago, Memphis said: I think this is well stated. We are in a different position from a financial standpoint than when we hired Ashworth, but more importantly, we are now fully staffed behind the scenes. Knowing how things went with Ashworth, we may well decide to change the remit of the Sporting Director role. Or replace it with something else. Whatever the situation, I would expect whoever is hired to be indicative of that chosen direction. That's another consideration, how many staff members were sourced by Ashworth, and is it possible he'll take them with him to Manchester when he finally completes his transfer to the the north west? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, TRon said: That's another consideration, how many staff members were sourced by Ashworth, and is it possible he'll take them with him to Manchester when he finally completes his transfer to the the north west? Can take any medical staff he hired with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 57 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Liverpool wouldn't be interested in someone who isn't best in class man. I used to think that, then they bid for Jamal Lewis before we did and I was excited to be getting one of their targets, not falling for that one again 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 19 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: I used to think that, then they bid for Jamal Lewis before we did and I was excited to be getting one of their targets, not falling for that one again 😀 I was the same with Marveaux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 So Man Utd are looking to get rid of 250 staff and then hire what they consider to be the best with no thought of how they can work together in the toxic environment they will create. Meanwhile Newcastle systematically look for a replacement for Ashworth with a new, modern, upgraded criteria with a data based approach to support the football management team after Ashworth failed to synchronise with the coaching set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: I was the same with Marveaux. Marveaux was canny when he played tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Would a joint director of football work, Giles for the data and that Paul Mitchell guy for his talent spotting and deal making ability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 13 minutes ago, SAK said: Would a joint director of football work, Giles for the data and that Paul Mitchell guy for his talent spotting and deal making ability? Mitchell is out of work isnt he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Mitchell is another one who doesn’t seem to spend that long at a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If we nick this Giles from Brentford, how long does he have to work in the garden before he could actually start working for us? I bet Brentford would ask for something like £10-15M for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, Toon No9 said: If we nick this Giles from Brentford, how long does he have to work in the garden before he could actually start working for us? I bet Brentford would ask for something like £10-15M for him. I guess that would depend on the contract he has with Brentford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 This is speculation on my part, but I have a feeling the terms in Ashworth’s deal are beyond standard for the position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Ben said: So Man Utd are looking to get rid of 250 staff and then hire what they consider to be the best with no thought of how they can work together in the toxic environment they will create. Meanwhile Newcastle systematically look for a replacement for Ashworth with a new, modern, upgraded criteria with a data based approach to support the football management team after Ashworth failed to synchronise with the coaching set up. Does that bring Giles back to the table then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Clubs up and down the country now redrawing contracts for their director of football to include clauses such as "if Newcastle approach you a £30m fee or 5 years gardening leave will apply" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 29 minutes ago, Toon No9 said: If we nick this Giles from Brentford, how long does he have to work in the garden before he could actually start working for us? I bet Brentford would ask for something like £10-15M for him. tbf they have every right to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, nufc123 said: Mitchell is out of work isnt he? Left Monaco a while back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 An interesting interview/article with Giles from Brentfords homepage. https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/interviews-phil-giles-brentford-director-of-football-high-performance-podcast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Hughes leaving Bournemouth. Got to be for us or Liverpool, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, lovejoy said: Hughes leaving Bournemouth. Got to be for us or Liverpool, surely? Linked to Roma also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Linked to Roma also. Why would they want someone who isn't 'best in class'? Baffling. Edited March 5 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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