Sufi Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 He’s not good for our hearts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I think something really important to remember is that clubs can't always just sign every player at the right time. Every now and then, a club might look at a deal and say we have to do this NOW. What if in a years time we decided we wanted a new keeper and the one guy who we really liked has moved elsewhere because we didn't act. It's all well and good having an idea of what you need for the 24/25 season but you need an eye on the 3 or 4 seasons after that. There's a balance the other way too, if you don't fix the immediate needs of the team, the results will also surely suffer. A fine balancing act and not an easy job. If we think this guy could be our keeper for 10 years, Nick Pope becomes irrelevant in the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 8 minutes ago, STM said: I think something really important to remember is that clubs can't always just sign every player at the right time. Every now and then, a club might look at a deal and say we have to do this NOW. What if in a years time we decided we wanted a new keeper and the one guy who we really liked has moved elsewhere because we didn't act. It's all well and good having an idea of what you need for the 24/25 season but you need an eye on the 3 or 4 seasons after that. There's a balance the other way too, if you don't fix the immediate needs of the team, the results will also surely suffer. A fine balancing act and not an easy job. If we think this guy could be our keeper for 10 years, Nick Pope becomes irrelevant in the discussion. Think that's exactly what happened this year signing the likes of Tino and Hall. They were bought as back ups when we clearly needed more depth in the forward positions. Having said that, hopefully we will reap the benefits for the 24/25 season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) Pope may be a high quality keeper, but he’s had 2 x shoulder dislocations and that makes his future career look much more risky And we’ve seen how much damage it does having a fuckwit like MDubz in nets for most of the season Pope possibly won’t like the idea of us signing a top quality keeper, but he can’t argue with the logic Edited May 23 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Agree with that. No idea what our budget is or what we are expecting to get in via player sales. But I still think a striker, right winger, defensive cover (sorted with the free transfers by the sounds of it) and having more than one CM that can play the deeper role. Are more pressing needs than a new number 1 GK for big money. Without even using hindsight. Plenty felt we were short at right wing and up front going into this season. Yet we spent 50 odd million on two full backs who barely played for large spells. So it is a fine line between current squad needs and players for the future we think are too good to turn down at the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Wonder if they’re thinking of playing both in goal at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 hours ago, LRD said: Mamardashvili 1.99m Burn 1.98m Adarabioyo 1.96m Botman 1.93m Isak 1.92m Pope 1.92m Building a team of giants. Lewis Hall sabotaging the whole scheme, unfortunately. And then if Southampton send Fraser back, it's totally ruined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 If they have any doubts at all about Pope's shoulder, a keeper is a massive priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 27 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: When we play out from the back this weakness sort of gets skipped over. But this season when teams have pressed us, he’s had to go long and you can just never be confident. I’m sure the stats can be found but I wouldn’t be shocked if 90% if his long kicks resulted in losing possession. That’s a huge issue to sort. I suppose it depends how you see it. I think the stat is we had the equal best defensive record, or one of the best up to the point Pope got injured. I think that matters more than whether Pope can ping passes around, or even have better ability with his feet than he has now. We do indeed need to upgrade. However, my opinion in the short term is, it's not that something we need to address right now. And the pressing issue imo, was more us not having the squad to play how we wanted to, due to the injuries we had. We had no option to rotate or rest, and even try different things. Be interesting to see what happens next season on how we approach new signings, especially with all the things we've been highlighting and have differing opinions on. I think it's going to fascinating actually, to see what positions we address in the next couple of months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 How many points did we drop this season because of Dubs being dodgy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 16 minutes ago, The Prophet said: If they have any doubts at all about Pope's shoulder, a keeper is a massive priority. Well, yes, we lost Pope for more than 60% of the season to a seemingly innocuous injury that had previously occurred. Like it or not l, Pope is now in the category for high risk of repeated injuries. He's been excellent for us, but the club would be prudent to look at alternatives for this key position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 No brainer if true, even if Popes shoulder is fine. No matter how good Pope is at sweep-to-throw-in (think that part of his game is pretty overrated personally since we rarely convert his pro-active actions into possession) and between the goal posts, a keeper of similar skill but with an ounce of ability with his feet is a massive upgrade to how we can play, especially how we deal with a high press which we've really struggled with since forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 23 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: How many points did we drop this season because of Dubs being dodgy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Magpie Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) I want him just for the fact he looked like he was going to strangle Vinius Jr., that was worth any admission fee to a game by itself! Plus if he can shotstop like Pope AND actually kick a ball that's a plus. Edited May 23 by Irish Magpie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Vital information, this is his mrs: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 It's not even that definite that Pope would get an offer elsewhere that would be attractive to him. Make him the default cup keeper - there's 5 games in winning the League cup, 6 in winning the FA cup and 14 in the Conf League. With there always being a chance of injury or suspension to get some league games it may well be his best option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: It's not even that definite that Pope would get an offer elsewhere that would be attractive to him. Make him the default cup keeper - there's 5 games in winning the League cup, 6 in winning the FA cup and 14 in the Conf League. With there always being a chance of injury or suspension to get some league games it may well be his best option We would probably want to peddle him if we got an upgrade mind, FFP and his age sees to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 His haircuts generally look serviceable, though a few are a bit dodgy. Confident Howe can get the best out of him, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) I'm a huge Pope fan and would be quite happy to see him and big Mama compete for the gloves a la Shaka and Pav. I'd get shot of Dubravaka if we can. Too old and supports Man U. Karius seems happy enough to be a number 3 after his life imploded. Edited May 24 by Monkey Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordshola Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 From the highlights I’ve seen, he doesn’t keep hold of the ball at all. Asking for trouble tbh… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 5 hours ago, Deuce said: Wonder if they’re thinking of playing both in goal at the same time. 1 less goalie on the subs bench I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombrownnufc3 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, Lordshola said: From the highlights I’ve seen, he doesn’t keep hold of the ball at all. Asking for trouble Yeah seems to palm it a lot out on vids . His record for Valencia this season is amazing though and seems very highly rated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Pretty willing to side with professional scouts rather than Dennis Wise style in this instance. Hopefully its true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosstef Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 5 hours ago, Monkey Alan said: I'm a huge Pope fan and would be quite happy to see him and big Mama compete for the gloves a la Shaka and Pav. I'd get shot of Dubravaka if we can. Too old and supports Man U. Karius seems happy enough to be a number 3 after his life imploded. Isn't it confirmed that Karius will leave this summer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, mosstef said: Isn't it confirmed that Karius will leave this summer? He’s looking to go back to Italy I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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